Blue Jays Off-Season Moves

[Toronto Passions]

I don't necessarily think so. The deep pockets of Rogers could have easily outbid the Trolley Dodgers. Assuming they were serious.

Honestly man, I have a hard time with $70 million per season for a DH, that missed almost all of September, 2 time Tommy John, and might not even pitch the same way ever again. I mean I see the buzz in Toronto. And I went to a Mets game last season against the Angels. I saw the crowd and the Japanese culture presence in the stadium, it was huge. I understand the star power. But $70 million is a little absurd. If Juan Soto hits 30 home runs next season, how much will he be worth?!

Oh and there’s no opt out clause in Ohtani‘s contract. So these people are stuck with each other for the next 10 years. When Ohtani is age 29/30 until age 39/40. The Jays could have very well dodged a bullet here. No pun intended.

Philip

 

[torontonate]

Imagine the fan base if he’s hitting 230 on the IL because of his nagging injuries over the last few years.

Realistically, who are we kidding? The Dodgers have been very quiet with their signings of free agents last season, and they’ve been doing nothing but talking about focussing every drop on Ohtani when he becomes a free agent. Everyone was even talking about this last year. He was their guy, and they were not going to let anything stand in the way of that. Respect to the Blue Jays for even getting Ohtani to think twice.

Philip

Good point. Dude aint super young. That contract ain't gonna age well

 

[black booty lover]

I don't necessarily think so. The deep pockets of Rogers could have easily outbid the Trolley Dodgers. Assuming they were serious.

No, what happened was he wanted to go to the Dogers the whole time. They used the Jays to get the amount of money they wanted from the Dogers .

Kind of looked like it went down like this:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1733670787159118045

 

[iceman69]

So, Ohtani was plan A. I think Soto was plan B.
Candelario was probably in a mix of guys for plan C.
Looks like we're crawling back to Chapman to overpay & possibly Bellinger? I don't like either option

 

[Toronto Passions]

Good point. Dude aint super young. That contract ain't gonna age well

Imagine being stuck with a 37-year-old DH, Having to pay him $70,000,000 per season? No opt out clauses in your contract, and you sure as hell can’t trade them at that price. I cant begin to imagine what kind of a nightmare that will be…. By then so many more young Japanese superstars will come into the league. Ohtani is a thing from the past that you’re still stuck having to pay 70 million per season. 2 Tommy John surgeries by the age of 30….. no thanks.

Philip

 

[iceman69]

Imagine being stuck with a 37-year-old DH, Having to pay him $70,000,000 per season? No opt out clauses in your contract, and you sure as hell can’t trade them at that price. I cant begin to imagine what kind of a nightmare that will be…. By then so many more young Japanese superstars will come into the league. Ohtani is a thing from the past that you’re still stuck having to pay 70 million per season. 2 Tommy John surgeries by the age of 30….. no thanks.

Philip

Right, but if in the first 4 seasons of the deal he hits 45+ bombs with a .300avg and brings a championship or 2, I'll eat that back end all day.

 

[Toronto Passions]

Right, but if in the first 4 seasons of the deal he hits 45+ bombs with a .300avg and brings a championship or 2, I'll eat that back end all day.

lol well that’s true as well. Two championships within 10 years is definitely worth a lot. But I just know the 1996 to 2000 Toronto Blue Jays definitely did not feel like they won a championship in 1992 and 1993. The Pat Hentgen Cy Young award year of 1996 , followed by Roger Clemens back to back Cy Young awards in 97 and 98, felt like they were done on a Blue Jays team that was lost and confused and on a downward spiral with no direction. I use those years as references because it’s easy for me to remember. This was a painful period that lasted pretty much until the arrival of Jose Bautista I would say it felt like. And even with the arrival of Jose Bautista, it took a good solid five years to come around into a contender.

Wihat I’m getting at, is our championship years didn’t feel like it carried positive vibes moving into the future. Just a painful “OK and now what?”

Philip

 

[iceman69]

lol well that’s true as well. Two championships within 10 years is definitely worth a lot. But I just know the 1996 to 2000 Toronto Blue Jays definitely did not feel like they won a championship in 1992 and 1993. The Pat Hentgen Cy Young award year of 1996 , followed by Roger Clemens back to back Cy Young awards in 97 and 98, felt like they were done on a Blue Jays team that was lost and confused and on a downward spiral with no direction. I use those years as references because it’s easy for me to remember. This was a painful period that lasted pretty much until the arrival of Jose Bautista I would say it felt like. And even with the arrival of Jose Bautista, it took a good solid five years to come around into a contender.

Wihat I’m getting at, is our championship years didn’t feel like it carried positive vibes moving into the future. Just a painful “OK and now what?”

Philip

I get it. Raps won it 4 yrs ago and look where they are now. Seems like more times than not, once you go through a winning window it seems to slam shut. Unless you're the Red Wings or the Braves.

Killed me watching the era's of Hentgen/Clemens/Halladay/Burnett/Lilly/Chacin/Delgado/Green/Wells/Rios/Catalanotto/Hillenbrand,etc.. and seeing nothing. Even this Jays team, can't expect our pitching to repeat. Need a miracle from Manoah to come back. And our hitters need to all be better save for Bo who was solid.

So, what I'm saying is, while the $$ was insane I would have signed Shohei and deal with the rest later

 

[roddermac]

Imagine being stuck with a 37-year-old DH, Having to pay him $70,000,000 per season? No opt out clauses in your contract, and you sure as hell can’t trade them at that price. I cant begin to imagine what kind of a nightmare that will be…. By then so many more young Japanese superstars will come into the league. Ohtani is a thing from the past that you’re still stuck having to pay 70 million per season. 2 Tommy John surgeries by the age of 30….. no thanks.

Philip

The same was said when Albert Pujols signed with the Angel years ago. That signing secured them a 20 year $3 billion television deal with FOX

 

[Toronto Passions]

The same was said when Albert Pujols signed with the Angel years ago. That signing secured them a 20 year $3 billion television deal with FOX

I can’t understand how Pujols, Trout and Ohtani all were mainstays in the Angels batting order, and they accomplished shit on a stick. How do you not build around those guys?

Philip

 

[Toronto Passions]

Killed me watching the era's of Hentgen/Clemens/Halladay/

Me too. I love Roger Clemens don’t get me started lol. Every once in a while I start posting these Rocket frenzies for no reason in particular. I just have an obsession with Clemens. I’m not even quite sure why.

Yeah Delgado was a real waste as well…. My goodness what a talent!

Philip

 

[shack]

No opt out clauses in your contract, and you sure as hell can’t trade them at that price.

Actually, you can. You'd have to retain $50-60M of his salary.

 

[mandrill]

Ohtani was to sign with Toronto tonight.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1733582845761700164

 

[Toronto Passions]

Actually, you can. You'd have to retain $50-60M of his salary.

omg nobody is worth that kind of money. Not even a 1998 Stacy Dash. Almost but naw lol

Philip

 

[roddermac]

omg nobody is worth that kind of money. Not even a 1998 Stacy Dash. Almost but naw lol

Philip

He is worth it. The amount the Dodgers will make in jersey sales alone and marketing him in Japan will be insane. The California market alone will do wonders for them by having him. Plus I'm sure they will get some kind of television deal in Japan with him. It's the perfect situation for both parties.

 

[Fun For All]

I can’t understand how Pujols, Trout and Ohtani all were mainstays in the Angels batting order, and they accomplished shit on a stick. How do you not build around those guys?

Philip

I’ve always wondered that too…the answer I think is crummy management, I mean what more do you need to build around.

 

[black booty lover]

I can’t understand how Pujols, Trout and Ohtani all were mainstays in the Angels batting order, and they accomplished shit on a stick. How do you not build around those guys?

Philip

Because these GMs have a budget, and they blow their whole budget on that one player and can't afford anyone else. Then they have to try to convince the owner up their budget and the owners are probably like "I just gave you the green light to give Mike Trout 400 milllion, and now you tell me you need more money??? Any the fuck can't we beat Tampa Bay when I paying one person what there entire roster gets??"

That's probably how that convo goes.

 

[shack]

omg nobody is worth that kind of money. Not even a 1998 Stacy Dash. Almost but naw lol

Philip

Hey Phil. It's not our money. We just want to have a competitive team to cheer for. Whetever they'd have paid him, Rogers was gonna be ahead of the game financially and in terms of increased cred from the fan base. My suggestion of $650M for 9 years was actually a higher annual average salary.

 

[Toronto Passions]

California market alone will do wonders for them by having him.

Time will tell. He is turning 30 during next season and he has had injuries. The Giants need a star and they keep getting rejected by free agents, so I imagine he won’t be very popular in Northern California. Also I’m sure Anaheim is not too thrilled with him at the moment. When he announced he was signing with the Dodgers, I checked out his Instagram account out of curiosity, there were a number of comments from people that felt betrayed by his decision. I went to a random Mets versus the Angels game in New York this summer, and he is a huge draw and it was very cultural.

But to feel like he’s worth 30 million more per season than Aaron Judge, I just don’t believe that.

Philip[/QUOTE]

 

[tml]

Me too. I love Roger Clemens don’t get me started lol.

Philip

Aw geez, here we go.