Blue Jays Off-Season Moves
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Perfection is above ^^^^
…..you guys want to talk great Bluejay free agents? The Rocket was an incredible free agent. Gord Ash went to him personally and sold him on the prospect of signing with Toronto. And then two years later he said, “wtf are you guys doing? Nobody wants to win here, trade me now! You bozo didn’t even re-sign my friend Jose Canseco” Lmao.
Philip
Was a wasted era that was tough to see as a young fan at the time.
Now that Shohei & Soto are no longer options, re-make your Jays roster.
Are you paying Chapman 100+?
I would have rather signed Candelario for 75.
I'd bring back Kiermaier. Overpaying for Bellinger? Yamamoto?
I don’t know Cody Bellinger might happen. What’s that thing yesterday about his fiancé posting on her Instagram a photo of the CN Tower or something? I personally feel like if they obtain Cody Bellinger and Teoscar Hernandez, problem solved.
I ama a huge advocate for Teoscar Hernandez and i still am. I was telling Shack yesterday, there’s a number of reasons why I liked him so much. His presence is dangerous in a lineup and he kills mistakes. But he’s affordable for the Blue Jays, he likes Toronto, he looks good in a jays uniform, and the fans like him.
I think Teoscar and Cody Bellinger are the way to go.
Philip
I ama a huge advocate for Teoscar Hernandez and i still am. I was telling Shack yesterday, there’s a number of reasons why I liked him so much. His presence is dangerous in a lineup and he kills mistakes. But he’s affordable for the Blue Jays, he likes Toronto, he looks good in a jays uniform, and the fans like him.
I think Teoscar and Cody Bellinger are the way to go.
Philip
……he wasn’t happy he was taking Seattle swings lol.
More than anything, he’s a big brother of Vlady and he can protect him in the lineup. Hopefully we get 25 to 30 homeruns out of it. I’d rather him than Matt Chapman that’s for sure.
Philip
Teo is a big swing & miss guy. Lackadaisical D. Not ideal for this team. there's a definite nostalgia appeal. Plus, yes he & Vladdy were very close. His last game as a Blue Jay was hitting 2 clutch HRs in the game 2 debacle vs Seattle.
I don't think he's the answer. I don't know what the right answer is now, tbh.
I'd put a package together and try for Arenado in STL. Then sign Bellinger and we're talking. Or throw $$ at Yamamoto (even though Shohei's deal practically lays the foundation for him signing in LA).
I'm much less optimistic about what this team looks like come spring training.
Shohei would have appeased the fan in me & set this city/country on fire with excitement. Instead it feels like we're back to square one & I want to know why the fuck Berrios was pulled so fast! lol
I don't think he's the answer. I don't know what the right answer is now, tbh.
I'd put a package together and try for Arenado in STL. Then sign Bellinger and we're talking. Or throw $$ at Yamamoto (even though Shohei's deal practically lays the foundation for him signing in LA).
I'm much less optimistic about what this team looks like come spring training.
Shohei would have appeased the fan in me & set this city/country on fire with excitement. Instead it feels like we're back to square one & I want to know why the fuck Berrios was pulled so fast! lol
I'd bet Arenado has some type of no trade clause in his contract, and my guess is Bellinger will re-up with the cubs unless the jays come over the top of the cubs by about 30 million. (An extra year like they had to do with Springer). I don't think the Jays want to get into the habit of having to give every free agent an extra year or 30 million just to come here. Having said that, they are desperate now. My guess is they're calling teams that don't have a lot of money (perhaps their old friends in Cleveland) and saying "so lets talk J-Ram".
I'm not thrilled about Bellinger the same way I would be about Sho or Soto.
It's looking more & more likely we'll do a mix of Votto at DH (maybe some 1B), overpay Chapman & who knows in the outfield.
Rumors have had our front office linked to Milwaukee & Yelich since before Yelich was dealt to Milwaukee from Florida.
If we trade for Yelich I doubt we'd have enough prospect capital left to make my Arenado pipe dream come true.
Tough getting hyped for what this team is going to look like.
Fast forward 2 yrs, I don't think Bo wants to be here long term & maybe Vlad will sign if we (over)pay
It's looking more & more likely we'll do a mix of Votto at DH (maybe some 1B), overpay Chapman & who knows in the outfield.
Rumors have had our front office linked to Milwaukee & Yelich since before Yelich was dealt to Milwaukee from Florida.
If we trade for Yelich I doubt we'd have enough prospect capital left to make my Arenado pipe dream come true.
Tough getting hyped for what this team is going to look like.
Fast forward 2 yrs, I don't think Bo wants to be here long term & maybe Vlad will sign if we (over)pay
I think Hernandez would be very good for this team. Not for nothing but it wakes up Vladimir in my opinion. Unfortunately Guerrero needs to be sandwiched with protection and he needs a fellow countrymen older brother for psychological support.
This is a matter of opinion. He may strike out but he makes a lineup better I don’t know what happened with my first reply but it got all mangled with quoting lol.
if they don’t get Bellinger I think that would be a major disappointment. They need an offensive outfielder
Philip
I like Bellinger and I think we should pursue him. He went in a funk during the covid years but completely resurrected himself last season, cutting his K rate massively and upping his average by almost 100 points. Shades of the 2019 version that was NL MVP.
I don't like Teoscar because I think his stats of the past two seasons are more indicative of him as opposed to what he did for us in 2021. Plus he's a defensive liability.
I’m not speaking for him being an everyday Right Fielder by any stretch. But he can give and always grimacing faced Springer a few days off here and there. Plus he’s a homer threat and he makes the lineup better in my opinion. Plus he provides much needed support for Vladimir Guerrero and that’s probably his biggest value. And the Blue Jays can get him for cheap I would imagine… don’t get me wrong I’m also saying go out and get Ballinger but do not sleep on Hernandez.
….I’m not going to keep defending Hernandez lol I feel like that’s all I ever do. Unfortunately Vladimir is too immature to be a leader or to be a stand out talent, and he needs his big brother back. It’s not all about stats, sometimes momentum and chemistry play a humungous factor.
Philip
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I predict that he'll regress. I don't think that he'll improve on the 0 errors he had this past year.Lourdes Gurriel Jr. agrees on return to Diamondbacks | TSN
Lourdes Gurriel Jr. is returning to the Arizona Diamondbacks after agreeing on a new contract, according to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic. Mark Feinsand of MLB.com reports the deal is for three years and a total of $42 million.
Fair point about the chemistry. And if there were a chance to get him back close to the 2021 numbers I would welcome him back in a mostly DH role. But man he's got to do something to reduce the K rate that was ridiculous last season. Also looking at the FA tracker there aren't really that many quality bats available to be had so Hernandez could make sense.
Last year Gurriel Jr. had career lows in BA and OBP and he hit into 20 double plays. I don't see him regressing from that. He did have a career high 24 home runs and 35 doubles, perhaps those numbers drop slightly. 3 years and $42 million is reasonable in this market.
it’s starting to feel like the Blue Jays are going to do a whole lot of nothing. If they don’t sign Bellinger I will be very disappointed.
Philip
Rumor has it that Toronto is in the lead to land Bellinger.
Hmmm. Have we ever had that before?
If all the remaining Jays players in 2024, simply did the average of what they did in 2022 and 2023, it would more than likely elevate the team more than any free agent remaining in the market.
Not even asking them to reach 2022 levels .. just the average. That is how far they regressed last year. Whether it was luck, chemistry, the hitting coach (and his associates), there is room for internal improvement here that isn’t even based on reaching new levels of performance.
But we do have the money to bring in 2 or 3 players in the 10m+ range and it is quite important that we hit on a few of thrm.
The thing is the performance issues last year were not even due to losing Teoscar and LG. Their replacements KK and Belt were fine.
It was the holdovers from 2022 regressing and Varsho regressing.
Not even asking them to reach 2022 levels .. just the average. That is how far they regressed last year. Whether it was luck, chemistry, the hitting coach (and his associates), there is room for internal improvement here that isn’t even based on reaching new levels of performance.
But we do have the money to bring in 2 or 3 players in the 10m+ range and it is quite important that we hit on a few of thrm.
The thing is the performance issues last year were not even due to losing Teoscar and LG. Their replacements KK and Belt were fine.
It was the holdovers from 2022 regressing and Varsho regressing.
