Blue Jays 2024

[oral.com]

It doesn’t matter who gets shopped, with present incompetent management anyone brought in will succumb to the Blue Jay culture of mediocrity

 

[mitchell76]

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1794804903669645361

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1794805038407106899

 

[The Oracle]

Jays are on the list at #6...Do you think the reason here is valid?

 

[K Douglas]

This team is a joke. I can't stand to look at it. WTF happened to Springer this guy is almost unplayable. All Vlad cares about is dancing in the dugout while they're down 5 runs. There's no leadership on this squad. And sorry but Schneider is a piss poor manager. And don't even get me started on Shatkins.

 

[shack]

I can't see how Atkins survives this. The media and fans are calling for his head, his results have been poor in a results driven business, and firing the manager will just showcase another poor decision that he made.

I think even Shapiro would say to Atkins quietly "I don't want to do this buddy, but I have no choice".

Schneider can only work with what he's given to work with.

If someone feels that Atkins has given him a truly contending roster, then sure, it's Schneider's fault. If, as the general consensus seems to be, that Atkins has given Schneider a progressively weaker roster each of the last 2 seasons, then dump his sorry "To The Core" ass.

 

[shack]

I actually trust Mark Shapiro much more than Ross Atkins. Mark Shapiro joined the Cleveland Indians in 1991 I just read. My first time looking him up. That means he was building his rank as an executive in the organization during the almost dynasty powerhouse 90s. He was building as an executive during Lofton, Jim Thome, Albert Belle, Manny Ramirez, CC Sabathia, Charles Nagy, Sandy Alomar etc. etc. the list goes on…. that team was an unbelievable dynasty that never actually won a World Series lol.

Ross Atkins joined Cleveland in 2001. I didn’t know that he was never actually the GM of Cleveland. Ross Atkins worked in player personnel and player development and was in charge of the Latin division for a couple of years during the 2000s. Never the actual GM. Surprisingly I never looked this up. He has been working side-by-side with Mark Shapiro since 2001, so Shapiro definitely has a loyalty to Atkins. In my opinion that just gives us more reason to want Atkins gone. Player development versus General Manager is extremely different. Just because you can do one, it does not mean that you can do the other.

Philip

I heard that as head honcho in Cleveland, Shappy and the Indians (we have Shappy and Shanny, no other city can claim that) made the playoffs once in 11 years. I haven't checked those numbers, but I'm taking them at face value.

 

[shack]

I don’t know everything about the overall blunders and fuck ups of Ross Atkins, but the thing that comes to mind that really bothered me along with the handling of extending Teoscar Hernandez, was his handling of Edwin Encarnacion… and letting him walk at 33 years old after his big 2016 homerun against the Orioles in the wildcard. And he let him walk in favour of signing Kendrick Morales. That bothered me and I just remembered how much. Never mind the botched handling of extending Hernandez.

Simply, Ross Atkins is not a general manager. He’s a number crunching player development geek with absolutely no understanding of team chemistry and momentum. I’m sick and tired of watching this guy with his head up his own ass obsessing about left-handed right handed left-handed right handed hitters….. and just focus on plain old protection in the order, and team chemistry. Little League logic. This number cruncher thinks signing a bunch of randoms to one year deals is going to get these guys gelling like a team and performing. It takes players time to adjust. Time to build chemistry. Baseball is such a game of momentum…. And Ross Atkins has destroyed that more than once.

Philip

You forgot, that to Atkins, the most important thing is if a player has a contract that is controllable. He orgasms when he gets that. How good is a controllable contract if it's a player like Vogelbach, or Tapia. He has acquired some of the most useless players ever for reasons that are not remotely baseball related.

In the off-season, he said that their goal was to acquire 4 bats, who turned out to be IKF, Vogelbach, Turner, Votto and resigning Kiermaier. So, he actually got us 5 bats. Surely that has struck fear into the rest of the LA East. How can Atkins be blamed? LOL,

 

[shack]

In particular Dominican Blue Jay chemistry which in my opinion is extremely important. It’s also important to the history of this franchise. That Dominican flavour is so beautiful with the Blue Jays.

Philip

Eppy Guerrero was one of the first scouts to mine the talent in the DR back in the early 80's. George Bell and Tony Fernandez. You are so right, Phil.

 

[Ebony Booty Lover]

Schneider can only work with what he's given to work with.

If someone feels that Atkins has given him a truly contending roster, then sure, it's Schneider's fault. If, as the general consensus seems to be, that Atkins has given Schneider a progressively weaker roster each of the last 2 seasons, then dump his sorry "To The Core" ass.

Totally agree, and that's why I scratch my head every time I see someone say "fire Scneider". Who cares about Schneider right!? There are bigger fish to fry.

 

[Ebony Booty Lover]

I'm literally at the point right where I hope the jays suck over the next few weeks in order to insure Atkins gets fired.

 

[Zoot Allures]

I'm literally at the point right where I hope the jays suck over the next few weeks in order to insure Atkins gets fired.

I hope they lose to insure they will be sellers instead of buyers this year,
KIkuchi might be the most sought after of any player in all of baseball at the deadline

Bochette and vlad with a year remaining on their contracts will bring in some amazing prospects

They have some real talent to sell in FAs that can feed their system
otherwise there is no hope in the future

 

[oral.com]

I'm literally at the point right where I hope the jays suck over the next few weeks in order to insure Atkins gets fired.

Shapiro is in charge, Atkins is his lackey. Schneider will get thrown under the bus.
Rogers will do nothing about Shapiro and Shapiro will keep Atkins to do his dirty work. For the last 20 years Shapiro has accomplished nothing in Cleveland and nothing in Toronto. Come On Rogers grow a pair and get rid of these guys!

 

[Toronto Passions]

You forgot, that to Atkins, the most important thing is if a player has a contract that is controllable. He orgasms when he gets that. How good is a controllable contract if it's a player like Vogelbach, or Tapia. He has acquired some of the most useless players ever for reasons that are not remotely baseball related.

What bothers me so much about Ross Atkins, is his inability to understand chemistry, team leadership and team identity. Like what kind of a team are you trying to put together you idiot? He literally had the chance to put together a serious world class Dominican core. I don’t understand why nobody is there to explain this to him, because clearly he was never a GM before he got here. All these splashing one year deals are so stupid. Even from a marketing perspective, why would a fan invest in a player that would be here for just one year? Just so a couple of commentators can call Kevin Kiermaier Mr. Dreamy Eyes lol.

Philip

 

[Carvher]

What bothers me so much about Ross Atkins, is his inability to understand chemistry, team leadership and team identity. Like what kind of a team are you trying to put together you idiot? He literally had the chance to put together a serious world class Dominican core. I don’t understand why nobody is there to explain this to him, because clearly he was never a GM before he got here. All these splashing one year deals are so stupid. Even from a marketing perspective, why would a fan invest in a player that would be here for just one year? Just so a couple of commentators can call Kevin Kiermaier Mr. Dreamy Eyes lol.

Philip

Shapiro is Shanahan.
Atkins is Dubas.
Jays are the Leafs.

 

[K Douglas]

Shapiro is in charge, Atkins is his lackey. Schneider will get thrown under the bus.
Rogers will do nothing about Shapiro and Shapiro will keep Atkins to do his dirty work. For the last 20 years Shapiro has accomplished nothing in Cleveland and nothing in Toronto. Come On Rogers grow a pair and get rid of these guys!

Actually I disagree with your assessment on Shapiro. He's a good baseball executive and has an eye for talent. He was Director of Player Development for the mid-late 90's Indians team that were so dominant. He also had 15 years of Assistant GM/GM experience. During that time he stocked the Indians cupboard full of arms. Unfortunately his Achilles Heel is his blind loyalty to Ross Atkins, who's really a poor GM. Overpays in most trades. Didn't draft enough arms. Doesn't understand how important a good bullpen is. Built a hitting lineup that was so right handed hitting heavy that he had to go out and overpay for a left handed bat in Daulton Varsho. The list goes on.

 

[Toronto Passions]

Actually I disagree with your assessment on Shapiro. He's a good baseball executive and has an eye for talent. He was Director of Player Development for the mid-late 90's Indians team that were so dominant. He also had 15 years of Assistant GM/GM experience. During that time he stocked the Indians cupboard full of arms. Unfortunately his Achilles Heel is his blind loyalty to Ross Atkins, who's really a poor GM. Overpays in most trades. Didn't draft enough arms. Doesn't understand how important a good bullpen is. Built a hitting lineup that was so right handed hitting heavy that he had to go out and overpay for a left handed bat in Daulton Varsho. The list goes on.

Great post. I mentioned in an earlier post, I just looked up Shapiro for the first time the other day. I love those 90s Cleveland teams. https://awaybackgone.com/2021/09/11/cleveland-indians-1995-1999-dynasty/

I wish Shapiro was the GM in Toronto. But then I also question the fact that it has been known that he wants to be involved in every aspect of baseball operations, so maybe this is Shapiro‘s team more than we realize.

Philip

 

[shack]

I wish Shapiro was the GM in Toronto.

Philip

And Anthopoulous would be his boss. LOL.

 

[Toronto Passions]

And Anthopoulous would be his boss. LOL.

LOL. What gets me is this blatant waste of time. The firing of Atkins is inevitable. The longer we wait, the more we suffer. I can’t believe the Blue Jays have become this old boys club where Shapiro protects Atkins,. It is pathetic. Every media source in the city wants this man gone. Does Shapiro not have the ability to read the news?

Philip