Blue Jays 2024
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Same goes for Shanny. He's the captain and last crewman on the Titanic known as the Maple Leafs
I think Schneider (aka Larry) will be sacrificed, Moe and Curly will continue running the stooges
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I actually trust Mark Shapiro much more than Ross Atkins. Mark Shapiro joined the Cleveland Indians in 1991 I just read. My first time looking him up. That means he was building his rank as an executive in the organization during the almost dynasty powerhouse 90s. He was building as an executive during Lofton, Jim Thome, Albert Belle, Manny Ramirez, CC Sabathia, Charles Nagy, Sandy Alomar etc. etc. the list goes on…. that team was an unbelievable dynasty that never actually won a World Series lol.
Ross Atkins joined Cleveland in 2001. I didn’t know that he was never actually the GM of Cleveland. Ross Atkins worked in player personnel and player development and was in charge of the Latin division for a couple of years during the 2000s. Never the actual GM. Surprisingly I never looked this up. He has been working side-by-side with Mark Shapiro since 2001, so Shapiro definitely has a loyalty to Atkins. In my opinion that just gives us more reason to want Atkins gone. Player development versus General Manager is extremely different. Just because you can do one, it does not mean that you can do the other.
Philip
Ross Atkins joined Cleveland in 2001. I didn’t know that he was never actually the GM of Cleveland. Ross Atkins worked in player personnel and player development and was in charge of the Latin division for a couple of years during the 2000s. Never the actual GM. Surprisingly I never looked this up. He has been working side-by-side with Mark Shapiro since 2001, so Shapiro definitely has a loyalty to Atkins. In my opinion that just gives us more reason to want Atkins gone. Player development versus General Manager is extremely different. Just because you can do one, it does not mean that you can do the other.
Philip
I can't see how Atkins survives this. The media and fans are calling for his head, his results have been poor in a results driven business, and firing the manager will just showcase another poor decision that he made.
I think even Shapiro would say to Atkins quietly "I don't want to do this buddy, but I have no choice".
Wayne Embry was General Manager of the Raptors for two months in 2006, (he's been part of the Raptors' front office since 2004). During his brief stint as GM, he made one trade, but it was a great one: He sent Jalen Rose, a first round draft pick and some cash to the New York Knicks for Anthony Davis, who played 8 games in his return to Toronto, before retiring. That's what it took to pawn Rose's contract off to someone else.
In the 1985 offseason, Oakland A's GM Sandy Alderson traded Dave Collins to the Detroit Tigers for Barbero Garbey, who was subsequently released by the A's in spring training 1986. When questioned about this deal, Alderson said "We had to take something, to get rid of Collins".
These are the kind of under the radar moves that successful GMs make. When assessing a player's value, the most important factor is the ratio of cost to production. A player being paid $25 Million who generates 2.0 WAR is less valuable than a guy earning the MLB minimum who earns 0.2. This is because the $24.5 Million of cost saving can be used to sign players who will earn more than 1.8 WAR. These are things that casual fans don't understand.
I think the Jays should try to keep Bichette, and they should try to shed themselves of Springer. Jose Berrios might be their most valuable trade piece at the moment, because his cost is fixed through the 2028 season. Guerrero, Bassitt and Gausman are all potential free agents after the 2025 season. Their value decreases if the Jays keep them past this year's trade deadline, because, realistically, the Jays will not be contenders this year, nor next. They can fill holes only by creating different holes elsewhere in the lineup.
In the 1985 offseason, Oakland A's GM Sandy Alderson traded Dave Collins to the Detroit Tigers for Barbero Garbey, who was subsequently released by the A's in spring training 1986. When questioned about this deal, Alderson said "We had to take something, to get rid of Collins".
These are the kind of under the radar moves that successful GMs make. When assessing a player's value, the most important factor is the ratio of cost to production. A player being paid $25 Million who generates 2.0 WAR is less valuable than a guy earning the MLB minimum who earns 0.2. This is because the $24.5 Million of cost saving can be used to sign players who will earn more than 1.8 WAR. These are things that casual fans don't understand.
I think the Jays should try to keep Bichette, and they should try to shed themselves of Springer. Jose Berrios might be their most valuable trade piece at the moment, because his cost is fixed through the 2028 season. Guerrero, Bassitt and Gausman are all potential free agents after the 2025 season. Their value decreases if the Jays keep them past this year's trade deadline, because, realistically, the Jays will not be contenders this year, nor next. They can fill holes only by creating different holes elsewhere in the lineup.
