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Nad Smith

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I hate the Red Sox and I always kind of liked the Yankees. Aaron Judge and some others are very classy people. The tradition and the clean shaven look are admirable. Aaron Boone manages from the top step. Don't get me wrong, I wanted the Jays to win ...but now my second choice is out too. Got family in Illinois so now I turn to the White Sox.
 

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My aunt is very high up in the Dodgers organization. Go blue go! Lol.

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This has to be a bummer for Dodgers fans... that the Dodgers, with 106 wins... have to qualify for a Wild Card spot!!!

" Eleven rare times through MLB history, a 100-win team has been relegated to second-best by an even stronger division champion or pennant winner -- and a new team just joined the list. It's still only happened five times in the divisional era, which began in 1969. Before that, going back to 1903, the year of the first World Series, six additional 100-win teams finished second in a pennant race. "

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It also looked odd to me but, admittedly, I did not pick up on the date. Thanks for pointing it out.

Regardless, I have never stated that Charlie will win manager of the year as pp claims I did. Since I challenged him on that and proposed a bet he has been silent.
You're a clown boy, why would anyone waste time conversing with you lmao. You fabricated a story about the expos recently and got called out before too. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 boy.
 
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The jays aren't built for playoffs at this point, they can bash but can't grind. Tampa make pitchers grind every at bat, the jays are too eager still. Facing top three pitchers they would get swallowed up in the playoffs.

There aren't many 12-2 playoff games. Ray could be a one hit wonder. Has he done it long enough to get a big contract? Remember ra dickey? Would you pay 25 mil for these numbers? .500 pitcher with a 4 era, worse than stroman who wants to return. Remember Daniel marois? Everyone thought Justin smoak was fixed also.

 
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Alex Anthopoulos and his Atlanta Braves have been in the playoffs for 4 straight years and are in the World Series this season. When he took over in 2017 they finished in last place in the National League East the year before.

Let that sink in for a bit
 
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Alex Anthopoulos and his Atlanta Braves have been in the playoffs for 4 straight years and are in the World Series this season. When he took over in 2017 they finished in last place in the National League East the year before.

Let that sink in for a bit
Don't remind me.
 

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Everybody forgets that Kirby Yates was supposed to be the closer, and he missed the entire season following Tommy John surgery. He'll yield a compensation draft pick next June if a different team signs him.

The compensation draft picks are for free agents who sign with a new team after their current team offers them the one year qualifying offer salary. The new team doesn't lose draft picks, as in other North American teams sports; they're 'sandwich picks', sometime after the 10th pick in round 1, (dependent on the quality of the player, and the size/ length of his new contract). There's no doubt that the Jays will make qualifying offers to Ray and Semien, regardless of whether they intend to try to resign one or the other. I don't know anything about the status of Yates' rehab.
The Blue Jays will not receive any compensation if Yates signs elsewhere, because he was not offered the $18.4 Million qualifying offer for one year contract extension. The $18.4 Million amount is the average salary of the top paid 125 players.

This link from mlb dot com shows what the compensation would be if free agent players who were offered the qualifying offer by their current team elect to sign with a different team. Most of the teams who lose one of these free agents will receive a draft pick next June between rounds 2 and 3; picks #61 and up. The team signing the free agent does not lose a draft pick, as in hockey; these are bonus picks for the teams losing free agents.

There's also a provision that if a free agent who received a qualifying offer does not re-sign with any team by a specific date, the team he played for in 2021, he cannot re-sign with his current team before May 1st, and a team signing this player will lose a draft pick, if that player is signed before the June amateur draft. This was the scenario with Craig Kimbrel in 2019, and why the Cubs waited until June 7, after the draft, to sign him. I think the quality of the draft pick(s) surrendered in these cases is tied to the size of the new contract, rather than past statistical performance.

The compensation pick if Corey Seager signs with a team other than the Dodgers is after the 4th round, because the Dodgers team payroll exceeds the luxury tax amount; this is explained in the mlb dot com link.

Generally, teams don't offer qualifying offers to players who aren't worth the qualifying offer amount, in the team's opinion. Whether or not the team hopes to re-sign that player is not necessarily a factor. If, for example, the Blue Jays don't plan to try to re-sign Marcus Semien, they would still give him the qualifying offer, because they want the compensation draft pick when he signs with a different team. On the other hand, if the Jays want to try to resign Steven Matz, they would not offer him the qualifying offer, because they value him at less than $18.4 Million for the 2022 season.
 
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On the other hand, if the Jays want to try to resign Steven Matz, they would not offer him the qualifying offer, because they value him at less than $18.4 Million for the 2022 season.
Which is what happened.
 
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Alex Anthopoulos and his Atlanta Braves have been in the playoffs for 4 straight years and are in the World Series this season. When he took over in 2017 they finished in last place in the National League East the year before.

Let that sink in for a bit
Alex, though talented in his own right had perfect timing regarding both jobs. Toronto had 2 -3 years of being a solid contender, his last year and subsequent two years. The talent would age and he traded away a good chunk of the farm for the 2015 run.

Going to Atlanta they were on the verge of a rebuild with promising talent and nowhere to go but up.

I think that if Toronto had made the play-offs they would have went to the Series and faced the Braves.
 
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I think that if Toronto had made the play-offs they would have went to the Series and faced the Braves.

It's something about this year that just really stings in terms of what went down. Dammit these guys were supposed to do something with that lineup!

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I think what really went wrong for the Jays this season is that too many things went unexpectedly right. I don't think FO was looking at contending and 2021 was a bridge to real contention in 2022/23 (explains pitching weakness in first half). Then a funny thing happened along the way and they had a shot.
I also don't buy the "career year" thing for Semien. I see no reason why he can't maintain a similar set of stats, except maybe if he doesn't have Vladdy, etc. around him. Bring him back, give him $130M/4
 
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The Jays have to get off to better start next year. Alex Anthopoulos got lucky he didn't have to face his former team.

 
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