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I don't doubt that he is a smart guy.

My issue is that we had a team that was so close to the world series and instead of trying to build on that and get us to the ultimate level the team has gotten worse each year. I can understand if a team is crap and it takes time. I got the feeling, starting when he forced AA out, that he wanted a team that he created all by himself/in his own image, without having any, or hardly any pieces from the previous regime. I think he has a big ego and does not want to share credit with anybody else.

So, yes. I immediately disliked him when the first thing that happened was him essentially forcing out the face of the franchise, AA. Fresh, bold, the players trusted and rallied around him, but shapeero did not want him around because of his (my speculation) ego. So now, it took him 3 years to just break down the team. Now, how long to build it back up?
I am not sure when will the media begin the process of running Shapiro out of town? It must be faked news when they mentioned that one of his mandate coming here was to turn the Skydome into a ballpark friendly to the fans. Nothing happened. And, now the on field product is in a flux since he's been here.
 

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I expected to get more than he is worth. As a solid third line pitcher he is that final piece that could put you over the top

In essence, we got nothing for him. I think the Jays may be bad traders or they see value where no one else does. They had a lot of time to evaluate Yankee prospects

Jays obviously got what the market price for Happ was. He's no good to the Jays in the last 2 months of a mediocre season. From what I can see, the current strategy involves getting the most high AAA prospects possible, inviting them to spring training and seeing who catches lightning in a bottle. From that PoV, the Happ deal makes sense.
 

Insidious Von

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I did a brief run through on some of the prospects the Jays acquired. Of the group Corey Copping, whom they got from the Dodgers, appears to be blue chip. He has a goose egg in the loss column. What do you do with Donaldson? He's been good to us, Shapeyero can't just discard him. Maybe they should give him a one year offer, on provision that he becomes the regular DH. The Jays would be doing Jr a disservice if he became the DH. He might load up on peanuts, popcorn and what not, and end up like Prince Fielder.

On a lighter note. It's been revealed on Sportsnet that Bartolo Colon makes Caroline Cameron swoon! Now it's understandable, I wondered why her put downs of Stud Lord Seixeiro were so meek.
 

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He may have gotten hurt, but we got to see Nikki Huffman on tv for a while. Here's hoping there are more non-serious injuries before the season ends.
Beauty + brains. She's really the only part of the broadcast worth watching these days. How sad is that?
 

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A bright note in anotherwise dismal season, is Gurriel who now has multiple hits in 11 consecutive games. The last time somebody had 12 was 83 years ago. However, even that is tempered by the fact that he got injured on his 3rd hit. I heard it was a knee contusion and an ankle sprain. No word on the degree of the injuries or how long he will be out.
Gurriel out 2-6 weeks.
 

Insidious Von

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Beauty + brains. She's really the only part of the broadcast worth watching these days. How sad is that?
Buck Martinez sounds like he's bored shitless, the Jays are flies on the windshield yet again. The only excitement is Paul Sorvino promoting Rogers Ignite. Can't wait for this season to end.
 

Perry Mason

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Well, so we have heard the bad news about the BJ's...

The good news is that there will be plenty of tickets available for the rest of the season. :yo:

Perry
 

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I am pretty sure that Gibby will not be back with the Jays after the season.
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Speaking of managers, how the hell has Showalter lasted as long as he has in Baltimore? Especially after the one game play-off that he blew by refusing to use Britton in extra innings. Since then, the O's have sucked so bad that now they would be lucky to have a .500 team in the minors.

I wonder if baseball will ever bring in a cap system like the other major leagues. Perhaps if teams start to fold, but until then...
 

Perry Mason

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Speaking of managers, how the hell has Showalter lasted as long as he has in Baltimore?
Shack and I settled this question earlier in this thread, about 2 months ago! (See my post #1206)

Right, shack? :peace:

Perry
 

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For those wanting the head office cleared out (Shapiro/Atkins and company), following the deadline trades, the Blue Jays farm system is now ranked 5th (of 30) in MLB.
 

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So what?

Showalter has managed the New York Yankees (1992–1995), Arizona Diamondbacks (1998–2000), Texas Rangers (2003–2006), and the Orioles since 2010... and has been chosen Manager of the Year 3 times. His win/loss record is 1,504–1,392.

Are you comparing Gibby to Buck? Apples and oranges, as you are wont to do! :smokin:

Maybe the the Oriole fans know they have a junky team?

Perry
His record is now 1,537 - 1,478 which is not that great. His post season record is horrible at 9 - 14. He may have had a couple of good seasons, but those did not result in winning it all.

His best season was with the Diamondbacks at 100 - 62 and they were mauled 3 - 1 by the Mets in the first round of the play-offs. In 2014 he led the O's to a 96 - 66 record only to be humiliated in the play-offs by the Royals.

He is an average run of the mill manager who cannot handle the pressure in the post season.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/managers/showabu99.shtml
 

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I think both Showalter and Gibbons will be gone after this season. Teams are turning to younger geniuses and/or Joe Maddon the only older genius. They do both deserve to finish the season at this point to avoid the indignity of a mid season firing. I wonder what kind of a manager would Curtis Granderson make? just a thought
 

shack

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Shack and I settled this question earlier in this thread, about 2 months ago! (See my post #1206)

Right, shack? :peace:

Perry
We definitely discussed it.
 

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For those wanting the head office cleared out (Shapiro/Atkins and company), following the deadline trades, the Blue Jays farm system is now ranked 5th (of 30) in MLB.
Besides Vlad jr., how many of the prospects were acquired before Shatkins arrived on the scene. Even the players drafted in Shatkins initial year were probably scouted and rated by AA's team.
 

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For those wanting the head office cleared out (Shapiro/Atkins and company), following the deadline trades, the Blue Jays farm system is now ranked 5th (of 30) in MLB.
It's a deceiving ranking because of Bichette and Vlad at the top. They've drafted poorly in the 1st round with Harris (2015), Zeuch (2016) and Warmoth (2017). All safe low ceiling college guys that are currently impressing nobody. Pearson (2nd first round pick 2017) seems to be a stud though.
 

Perry Mason

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It's a deceiving ranking...
That is shitty logic... and that is putting it mildly! :der:

You have to have highly rated prospects to have a highly rated farm system... and, now, because they have high level prospects, you say that their high level farm system ranking is suspect? :confused:

So, in your opinion, what do they have to do to have a highly rated farm system?

Perry
 

Big Rig

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That is shitty logic... and that is putting it mildly! :der:

You have to have highly rated prospects to have a highly rated farm system... and, now, because they have high level prospects, you say that their high level farm system ranking is suspect? :confused:

So, in your opinion, what do they have to do to have a highly rated farm system?

Perry
Depth.

A depth they could of had if they traded JD etc a could of years ago when they had value. They sacrificed the future for the pretense of a contender. But, they wanted seats filled so they never traded for the future. WTF have we got with the trades we just made? Mediocrity that may not even make the show.

I realize sports is a business but the empty seats for the next couple of years at least was a bad business decision IMHO
 
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