Reminds me of an old joke: The bad news is that we don't have any players with talent. The good news is that we have lots of them.
Perry
Blue Jays 2018 Season (Good Riddance 2017)
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Perry
Are you guys watching the Seattle game, its a sea of Blue Jay fans in the stands.
Seattle should count their lucky stars they dont play in our division
Seattle should count their lucky stars they dont play in our division
A strong farm system is depth throughout and high upside players in the lower levels (Rookie, A, AA). We had to start garbage guys like Gaviglio, Hauschild, Biagini....etc because there was no decent starting talent in AAA, and the A/AA guys weren't ready.That is shitty logic... and that is putting it mildly! :der:
You have to have highly rated prospects to have a highly rated farm system... and, now, because they have high level prospects, you say that their high level farm system ranking is suspect?
So, in your opinion, what do they have to do to have a highly rated farm system?
Perry
Assume Vlad and Bichette make the club next year, then our top prospects are Jansen, Pearson and Alford who are ranked 73/89/91 respectively. http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2018?list=prospects
http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2018?list=tor Seems like mostly safe, low ceiling guys to me.
Well maybe you should share your insight with the powers that be in terms of making these rankings. You obviously know more than they do, because a lot of teams would like to be #5.
Something strange is going on. For the second time in a few days I agree with you!!!!
As for you, Tribunus, I prefer the opinions of the experts, the professionals, to yours... they have access to scouting, information and analysis of all the teams that you and I can't even dream about... or afford!
And the #5 ranking is one of the reasons I have changed my mind about Shatkins. They are rebuilding the farm system. And that, IMHO, is the way to build a perennial contender, a winner...
Perry
I'm no expert, but I do follow Jays prospects pretty closely. True, I don't have access to professional scouting reports and analytical data but there's enough good info on Baseball America's & ESPN's subscription services, Fangraphs and various Blue Jay boards and blogs for a fan like me to form an opinion.
And let's try to keep this civil, asshole.
Think you may have a point Tribunis. The Jays currently have 5 players ranked in the top 100 prospects, remove #1 Vlad jr. and #9 Bo Bichette and your next player is Jansen @ 73, Pearson and Alford are rated 89 and 91 respectively. With that in mind, the #5 ranking takes a big hit if you take the two, Vlad jr. and Bichette out of the mix. So unless they have some hotshots in low A ball or ??? that are beginning to make their mark the #5 jumps a bunch.
Something I found interesting, Ryan Borucki is rated #12 on the Jays prospect list and did not make the MLB top 100 yet is currently on the Jays roster and doing well. Jays show 4 pitching prospects ahead of him.
A lot of the players are so young that it is probably too soon to really figure out what they can or can't do and if they will or won't. In all sports a lot of can't miss guys have just plain disappeared. Guys get hurt, become head cases, or just don't put the work in that is needed to succeed at the major league level.
As for Shatkins, my opinion of them has not changed!
Now is the perfect time to do it. Even though he has garbage to work with, it’s good from an optic stand point, and I they will use this as a marketing strategy to sell the fans “we have a new manager, that should fix us”.
People know that blame lies with Shapiro not Gibbons. Gibbons will fired sometime soon though.
The Jays will play rest of their home gms at Christie Pit due to water leak on the dome roof and...lack of fans attendance! LOL!
I'm sure that is what shapeero wanted from the get go, but after making the playoffs two years in a row, his hands were tied.
Actually, even though I like Gibby, he would not be the right fit for a very young team. He is more suited to a veteran team where a lot of instruction is not needed, just calling plays according to game situations.
I also wouldn't be surprised if a young team means a good chunk of the coaching staff will be gone also.
AM radio was hinting Shapiro might install a Latino manager to better develop the Spanish speaking youngsters Gurriel, Teo, Vlad Jr.....etc.
I think thats a really good idea
I think thats a really good idea
Heard something similar, a Spanish speaking manager that was knowledgeable of analytics. That should reduce the number of qualified candidates in a hurry.
IMO, the best coaches are the guys that were grinding, run of the mill players that had to work hard to get everything they achieved, as opposed to the naturally talented guys. You can't teach natural talent. But you can teach all those things you had to work at to become a major leaguer. Gretzky was a lousy coach. Gerard Gallant got his team to the finals in his first year in Vegas.
