Blue Jays 2009

Are we better this year ?

  • yes

    Votes: 64 45.1%
  • no

    Votes: 49 34.5%
  • who cares the Yankees are going to win

    Votes: 15 10.6%
  • who cares the Red Sox are going to win

    Votes: 14 9.9%

  • Total voters
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teassoc

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oagre said:
Official BJ press release: Snider possibly headed for AAA, to work on hitting.

What did I tell you, guys??!!
Other main under-performers in the batting line-up are Overbay and Wells. Wells in all of his innings must have taken about 6 or 7 pitches. Terrible stuff for the best paid Jay. Rios seems to have picked things up a bit recently. Fortunately others in the line-up are more than covering for the under-performers.

If confirmed, will be interesting to see who they are sending up in Snider's place.
 

blueline

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Well the outcome from last night was much better than I had expected. I know about Wake and his record v. Toronto, but I also know about Wake and his classic meltdowns, so that is always in the back of my mind when he pitches. Good for him to pitch such an efficient game, making the bridge to Papelbon that much shorter. Must be a real treat for hitters to chase butterflies for 3 AB's then face mid 90's gas.

I think the series is more important to Boston than it is to the Jays, at this point of the season. Already trailing by 3.5 going in (2 in the loss column), they certainly did not want to be swept. Even losing 2-3 will hurt becuase the Yankees are rolling along, Tex and Arod are hitting bombs nearly every game now in that launching pad of a ballpark. Boston needs to win the series and now they have a better chance than I had first thought. Lester has to be better tomorrow and he does pitch much better at Fenway. Plus they get Youkilis back tonight.

Jays shouldn't look at this as a big series. It is only game 1 of 18 they will play each other. They have built a pretty good lead that losing a series, if they do end up losing to Boston, isn't going to end their season. There will be lots of other chances to beat the Yankees and Red Sox. I just think Boston has much bigger problems than Toronto has - specifically starting pitching, Ortiz and the SS position, where they have now made nearly as many errors this season as the Jays have as a team. I don't watch a lot of Jays games but so far I don't think they have many problems. If they did, they wouldn't have one of the best records in MLB. Plus, their already very good pitching is going to get even better at some point this season. Then again, one has to believe Boston's pitching will also get better, they can't go much lower than where they are now. I will trade you an Ortiz and a Lugo for all the Jays problems combined. LOL.

Penny v. Cecil tonight should be an interesting game. The John Goodman look alike has actually been pretty good for the most part, but I don't think the Jays will have much trouble with him. Boston has to realize that it is okay to score after the 4th inning. Seems the last 3-4 games, they score early then call it a night. Jays win tonight then hopefully Lester can get it back together for the rubber match tomorrow.

How did everyone enjoy Dennis Eckersly on the broadcast? He can be a bit of an arrogant jerk at times, some nights he will come right out and pretty much call an opposing player or a team a piece of crap. However, I will take the NESN feed on the TSN games so I don't have to listen to Howdy Doody. :p
 

SkyRider

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blueline said:
I don't watch a lot of Jays games but so far I don't think they have many problems.
I am concerned about the Jays' hitting. The RF and CF are often AWOL during many at bats and Snider has cooled off.
 

blueline

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SkyRider said:
I am concerned about the Jays' hitting. The RF and CF are often AWOL during many at bats and Snider has cooled off.
Gee - I wish the Red Sox had the Jays' hitting problems. :p

They reach a certain part in the order and they may as well take a knee and concede the outs. Papi may as well stay on the freaking bench for all he is contributing. LOL.

Wakefield just had an exceptionally good night. I am expecting the Jays to rough Brad Penny up a little bit tonight.
 

SkyRider

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blueline said:
They reach a certain part in the order and they may as well take a knee and concede the outs. Papi may as well stay on the freaking bench for all he is contributing.

When you said "take a knee", I initially thought you meant take a pitch on the knee and get on base via hit by pitch:eek: which is what a Pete Rose would do. Papi, the Jays' RF and CF should do the honorable thing and put themselves on the 120 day disabled list.
 

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To be competitive in AL East the Jays need an outfield that can generate at least 70 home runs a year from the starters.

Wells at this stage of his career looks like he has settled into being a 22 HR a year type of guy. Rios seems like an 18 HR a year type of guy. That means you need to generate 30 HR a year from your LF.
 

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huntingale said:
Yes,i totally agree ! (yeah you would)

I watched tonight ball game via NESN,the commentator call Blue Jays was a pop up team.They had 25 pop outs in this game,what a shame !

there are 27 outs in a baseball game and Wakefield & Papelbon struck out 4 that leaves 23 outs but according to you there were 25 pop outs in the game no line outs, no fly outs, no ground outs:rolleyes: I will say it again, YOU ARE AN IDIOT

IDIOT ALERT !!!!!
 

salsamarc

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Kilgore Trout said:
To be competitive in AL East the Jays need an outfield that can generate at least 70 home runs a year from the starters.

Wells at this stage of his career looks like he has settled into being a 22 HR a year type of guy. Rios seems like an 18 HR a year type of guy. That means you need to generate 30 HR a year from your LF.
not bad I actually agree with you here but remember that right now Hill, Scuttaro, Barajas and Lind are carrying this team when it comes to offense must they have an outfield that produces 70 hrs ??? it would be nice if they do but this is not a must if the other players are playing the way they are (I have no reason NOT to believe Hill will not be a 20 hrs type of guy, Scuttaro and Barajas can probably hit 12-15 and Lind could probably hit 30 or more but more important is the number of RBIS these players have)
 

blueline

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oagre said:
Official BJ press release: Snider possibly headed for AAA, to work on hitting.

What did I tell you, guys??!!
Snider is in the lineup tonight. Released at 3:52 pm today.

Blue Jays
1. Marco Scutaro, SS
2. Aaron Hill, 2B
3. Alex Rios, RF
4. Vernon Wells, CF
5. Adam Lind, DH
6. Scott Rolen, 3B
7. Lyle Overbay, 1B
8. Rod Barajas, C
9. Travis Snider, LF
-- Brett Cecil, LHP

Red Sox
1. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
2. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Kevin Youkilis, 1B
5. Jason Bay, LF
6. Mike Lowell, 3B
7. Rocco Baldelli, RF
8. Jason Varitek, C
9. Julio Lugo, SS
-- Brad Penny, RHP
 

teassoc

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Too many rookies. Bad one for Cecil. They need to find room for Janssen somewhere.

Batting also seems to have gone cold. 14 hits but only 3 runs! Boston 15 hits and 8 runs.
 

salsamarc

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Rockslinger said:
Please please tell me that RIOS and WELLS got hurt. How come they never get a day off?
they actually managed a few hits but of course Wells always gets the cheapy singles when the bases are empty.......I can't remember the last time he had one RBI

I wish I could do a Nancy Kerrigan on his knee (what is Tonya Harding doing nowadays?)
 

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BJ Ryan gets demoted for not doing his job, and yet Wells has probably cost us more games than Ryan did, and he's still batting cleanup! At what point do you move him out of the cleanup spot and put someone there that is producing? Every time there is someone one base, he does the VW choke, with it usually resulting in a double play or a stupid one pitch pop up. He absolutely stinks right now and downright should not be in the cleanup spot anymore!

Cito, I really hope you're a terbite and are reading this! :D
 

Rockslinger

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At what point do you move him out of the cleanup spot and put someone there that is producing?
Both Joe Dimaggio and Ted Williams said they would quit rather than embarress themselves and also hurt the team. Can VW take a hint?:(
 

teassoc

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The whole team now seems to have gone cold, at least when there are runners in scoring positions. They can't score runs. That includes Lind and Hill.

Jays rooky pitchers don't match up well with the better teams. Time to send Ray and Cecil down and bring Janssen and Romero back up (as was originally supposed to happen).
 

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teassoc said:
The whole team now seems to have gone cold, at least when there are runners in scoring positions. They can't score runs. That includes Lind and Hill.

Jays rooky pitchers don't match up well with the better teams. Time to send Ray and Cecil down and bring Janssen and Romero back up (as was originally supposed to happen).
Time to admit the start wasn't reflective of the team? This is a nice Jays team, and they may still contend, but they're not the '92 or '93 Jays. On paper, they're still a fourth place team. Let's let this play out and see how it ends, shall we?

It's great to see the Jays seeming to be a vital team in the market again, even if it is a fantasy. Toronto would seem to be desperate for a winner, yet they still won't pay to watch a first place team? Please don't ever let me see any of you criticize another sporting market. Toronto is a nonexistent sports market. It's not even a good hockey market. It's a Laffs market. That is all.
 
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