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Biden issues pre-emptive pardons in final hours for Anthony Fauci, Liz Cheney, Milley and others

kherg007

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When did he promise to ''weaponize'' the DOJ?..I find that kind of amusing considering what Alvin Bragg and Letitia James were up to the last few years.
Didn't they get convictions each time?
 
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Yes his party did his dirty work. Remember Whitewater, and Hilary testifying for 11 hours on Benghazi, Trump attacking McCabe and those other FBI , firing Comey and bragging to the Russians about it. And Hunter Biden, who if he was an ordinary bloke would not have been through the gauntlet.
Congressional committees whether run by Republicans or Democrats routinely involve quite a bit of theatrics that comes to nothing. Remember when Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell used their House Intelligence Committee platform to say they saw the evidence that Trump was colluding with Russia. It's so absurd and despicable to cite evidence never produced. Some still feel they have to claim the evidence exists or they believe it exists or if it was further investigated it would exist.

As far as Hunter, the DOJ under Biden was shamed into prosecuting Hunter. Hunter's tax fraud was a serious problem. If Hunter was an ordinary bloke, he would not be in a position to travel the world collecting checks for negligible work.
 
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He led chants on lock her up for God's sake. But the DOJ did not persue as they said they would not have given the specifics of the case.

Second, hunter was not convicted of bribes. He was not a government official whom upon leaving the govt got $2b from the saudis. He was a dopey idiot son who parlayed his name, like ivanka trump, jared kushner, Billy Carter, Roger Clinton, Neil Bush, Spiro Agnew, and the Trump boys for money.
Remember Trump has a long record of fraud. That's a court and jury's opinion. His campaign manager, advisors, cfo, attorney are all felons.

Courts require testimony under oath. Fox news appearances do not.
Saying that someone should be in jail is an opinion. I also think that Hilary is a crooked politician who should've been convicted, but she was a Democrat, so that's a No Go.

Joe Biden said that Donald Trump should be in the Bulls Eye and voila, Trump got shot. As per your logic, Joe should be arrested for a conspiracy to commit murder.

Hunter was selling his daddy's influence to foreign nationals. Joe Biden should've been in the hot seat along with his idiot son, but that wasn't going to happen.

Funny enough, Joe Biden pardoned his entire family, just in case. For the period from Jan 1, 2014 til now. Just around time when Hunter was put on board of Energy company Burisma and collected other payments from Russians and Chinese. Other Biden family members were also mentioned in investigation.

And all that after Joe said that he wouldn't pardon his son because he believes in the justice system, NOT.
 

WyattEarp

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He led chants on lock her up for God's sake. But the DOJ did not persue as they said they would not have given the specifics of the case.
This is what FBI Director James Comey actually said:

"Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past."

What makes what Comey said problematic, is that the statute does not require that "intent" be established. I don't think Hillary Clinton should have gone to jail, but she violated the law as it is written and perhaps some lesser punishment should have been pursued. I'm not sure the Biden DOJ would have cut this slack if this was Trump.
 
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kherg007

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This is what FBI Director James Comey actually said:

"Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past."

What makes what Comey said problematic, is that the statute does not require that "intent" be established. I don't think Hillary Clinton should have gone to jail, but she violated the law as it is written and perhaps some lesser punishment should have been pursued.
Thanks for bringing the actual quote.
 
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Congressional committees whether run by Republicans or Democrats routinely involve quite a bit of theatrics that comes to nothing. Remember when Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell used their House Intelligence Committee platform to say they saw the evidence that Trump was colluding with Russia. It's so absurd and despicable to cite evidence never produced. Some still feel they have to claim the evidence exists or they believe it exists or if it was further investigated it would exist.

As far as Hunter, the DOJ under Biden was shamed into prosecuting Hunter. Hunter's tax fraud was a serious problem. If Hunter was an ordinary bloke, he would not be in a position to travel the world collecting checks for negligible work.
Mueller report said they welcomed the Russian help. Multiple indictments and convictions. Every single member of trumps team denied having any contact with Russians when they all did. Mueller said, in a ass backward way Trump obstructed justice a dozen times.
 

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Now these individuals cannot plead the Fifth when being questioned in front of Congress or in any Court. So it might be interesting.

I don't care much about most of these pardons, but the Liz Cheney pardon is problematic in my opinion. She is being investigated for tampering with a witness related to January 6th. That is a very serious charge.
They have fuck all to take the fifth about anyway.
 

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Trump says he will pardon all the people that were arrested for the Jan 6 riots. Guess he doesn't believe in the justice system either.
Justice system that was weaponized to go after him since 2016? Does he believe in fairness of such a justice system? Abso-fcnk-lutely Not!

USA supports demonstrations, riots and coups all over the globe ie: Ukraine, Georgia, Venezuela etc. People have a god given right to protest, they say!

Was Jan. 6 a riot? MSM definitely called it a riot and insurrection. Was it that? I'm not so sure. It was more of a peaceful protest than BLM riots where they burned cars and buildings, businesses looted, injured and humiliated cops, yet CNN and others would call it Mostly Peaceful.

4 years later, Trump is back in the oval office and no proof of insurrection. So was it a riot? I dunno.
 

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Mueller report said they welcomed the Russian help. Multiple indictments and convictions. Every single member of trumps team denied having any contact with Russians when they all did. Mueller said, in a ass backward way Trump obstructed justice a dozen times.
None of this matters to my point that Schiff said he saw the evidence.
 

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Justice system that was weaponized to go after him since 2016? Does he believe in fairness of such a justice system? Abso-fcnk-lutely Not!

USA supports demonstrations, riots and coups all over the globe ie: Ukraine, Georgia, Venezuela etc. People have a god given right to protest, they say!

Was Jan. 6 a riot? MSM definitely called it a riot and insurrection. Was it that? I'm not so sure. It was more of a peaceful protest than BLM riots where they burned cars and buildings, businesses looted, injured and humiliated cops, yet CNN and others would call it Mostly Peaceful.

4 years later, Trump is back in the oval office and no proof of insurrection. So was it a riot? I dunno.
So smashing windows, rushing into a building with the threat of violence, an attempt to prevent congress from certifying Biden's win wasn't a riot? Hmm, you sure about that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack
 

WyattEarp

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Was Jan. 6 a riot? MSM definitely called it a riot and insurrection. Was it that? I'm not so sure. It was more of a peaceful protest than BLM riots where they burned cars and buildings, businesses looted, injured and humiliated cops, yet CNN and others would call it Mostly Peaceful.

4 years later, Trump is back in the oval office and no proof of insurrection. So was it a riot? I dunno.
You haven't even described the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone in Seattle in 2020. If you lived there or had a business there, the City of Seattle allowed your rights to be violated for over three weeks.
 

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You haven't even described the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone in Seattle in 2020. If you lived there or had a business there, the City of Seattle allowed your rights to be violated for over three weeks.
Completely forgot about Seattle. Police station burned, autonomous zone created etc... all very peacefully and with full support from Seattle mayor.
 

Mr.Gr33k

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So smashing windows, rushing into a building with the threat of violence, an attempt to prevent congress from certifying Biden's win wasn't a riot? Hmm, you sure about that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack
What I saw doesn't really qualify as a riot.

When a riot happens, they don't threaten violence or attempt to prevent congress from carrying out it's duties. During a riot they burn the fckn building to the ground and likely kill/injure everyone inside.

What I saw instead is multiple videos of people walking inside the building peacefully while being accompanied by cops and security who seemed quite friendly. Did they scare the shit out of the congress(wo)men? 100% they did. Those are some powerful, vengeful individuals who had to teach everyone a lesson and so they did.
 

WyattEarp

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Completely forgot about Seattle. Police station burned, autonomous zone created etc... all very peacefully and with full support from Seattle mayor.
Left-wing protests and riots are generally sacrosanct with much of the Left.
 

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Then he has nothing to worry about right?
If it is a witch hunt, there is sure lots of things he has to worry about.
Trump has promised to weaponize the DOJ for his own purposes.
I am pretty sure we will see pretty serious undermining of democratic values from within the administration.
 
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WyattEarp

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They have fuck all to take the fifth about anyway.
I think you are saying they will take the Fifth anyway.

I'm not sure you can take the Fifth unless you are at risk of incriminating yourself. You can't incriminate yourself if you have already been pardoned. I suspect someone like Liz Cheney will find ways to not cooperate with a House Committee.

You might remember I told members to take second hand testimony from a young aspiring book writer who worked in the White House with a grain of salt.

Heard it from a friend who
Heard it from a friend who
Heard it from another you been messin' around
 
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