Keep digging that whole deeper. A dozen European countries have an official religion no matter how much you try to squirm. What pathetic agenda do you have that only takes issue with Israel?
Bibi Wins, Two State Solution Dies?
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Sure thing cowboy.Do you have any evidence that jews were chased from their homes in Morocco and Tunisia ?
In June 1948, soon after Israel was established and in the midst of the first Arab-Israeli war, violent anti-Jewish riots broke out in Oujda and Djerada, leading to deaths of 44 Jews. In 1948–9, after the massacres, 18,000 Moroccan Jews left the country for Israel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries#Morocco
It continues with a list of anti-Jewish riots through the 50's. Seems pretty clear cut.
And here you go trying to change the topic yet again after having your argument trashed.Even if that was true, do these countries have a policy of keeping a majority of its citizens from this religion and keeping ( majority of ) followers of other faiths stateless because they don't want them to outnumber those of the officially recognized religion ?
20% of Israel's population are Muslims and Christians and they are not stateless. The only ones that are stateless are the ones who refuse to live in peace beside Israel and refuse to live in peace in one state where Jews have equality. You keep going on and on with bullshit claims about Israel and continually refuse to even think about issues amongst the Palestinians.
No matter how much you try and claim otherwise, Israel protects freedom of religion, the West Bank is not part of Israel, and the Palestinians don't want to be Israeli.
A higher degree of tolerance compared to the holocaust? Sure. So let's just agree then that your one state solution is a non-starter. Arabs have for hundreds of years persecuted Jews and since the early 20th century they have devoted themselves to ethnically cleansing all Jews from the middle east--and they have succeeded in doing that for most of it.Morocco has never been part of Ottoman empire and offered protection to jews after they were deported from Spain and they lived in peace for centuries with jews.
An if you're talking about the middle ages period before the Ottoman empire any western historian would agree that jews experienced higher degree of tolerance and freedom in Arab land during middle ages compared to Europe
There is NO WAY IN HELL you will ever persuade Israelis to commit suicide. You can post all the idiotic arguments you like -- actual people living in Israel really DO NOT want to be ethnically cleansed by Arabs and they WILL NOT believe you that the Arabs who have been hell bent on ethnically cleansing them until now are suddenly going to change their tune.
No way in hell.
Israel is a modern western democracy. It extends freedom and equality to all of its citizens, and all have full voting rights. You can blather all you like, that fact won't change.Ok but Israel is presenting itself to the world as a western democracy, now do they want to follow the theocracy models of Middle East ?
Not only does Israel extend equality to its Arab citizens, Arab citizens of Israel enjoy greater rights and freedoms than Arabs in ANY ARAB COUNTRY.
The fact that Israel has a state religion is in no way incompatible with democracy -- lots of democracies have state religions: Japan, the United Kingdom, Malaysia, just to name a few. Malaysia for example is a democracy where the state religion is Islam.
p.s. Are you really trying to doubt that the Church of England is the official religion in England?Even if that was true,...
Why do you insist on making up shit. Are you so bent on your mission to discredit Israel (and ignore the wrongs of many others) that you have to lie?Yes but it's OK as long their number is not greater than 20%. Fuji was arguing that it was OK to keep other 4 millions stateless to make sure there will be always a jewish majority of citizens.
Absolutely, despite your smarmy lies, pogroms against Jews began in Morocco in the early 20th century and today while there are over a million Jews worldwide that can trace an ancestor back to Morocco, there are only 7000 Jews left in Morocco itself. It's pretty clear what happened.Do you have any evidence that jews were chased from their homes in Morocco and Tunisia ?
You picked Morocco as your example because of all the Arab countries it had among the least violence against Jews, but it STILL had progroms, and Jews STILL fled from it due to the hostility they faced from local Arabs. The conditions in Morroco were absolutely unacceptable and the discrimination and pogroms against Jews there extreme by Western standards. The discrimination only looks mild when you compare Morocco to places like Egypt, Palestine, Jordan, etc.
I would call you the master of straw man arguments but most your arguments are too imaginary to count.Pro Israel supporters ...
It is fact that most Arabs who fled Israel did so out of fear. It is equally fact that most Jews that fled Morocco did so out of fear. In many other countries they were actually forced out and severely discriminated against by law.
That's the "living in peace" he envisions for Jews in the future....
You picked Morocco as your example because of all the Arab countries it had among the least violence against Jews, but it STILL had progroms, and Jews STILL fled from it due to the hostility they faced from local Arabs. The conditions in Morroco were absolutely unacceptable and the discrimination and pogroms against Jews there extreme by Western standards. The discrimination only looks mild when you compare Morocco to places like Egypt, Palestine, Jordan, etc.
Neither does Israel. Muslims in Israel enjoy complete equality and are full citizens of Israel. You are once again trying your BLATANT LIE that the occupied territories are part of Israel: They aren't, and no matter how many times you blatantly lie, they still won't be.Even if that was true, do these countries have a policy of keeping a majority of its citizens from this religion and keeping ( majority of ) followers of other faiths stateless because they don't want them to outnumber those of the officially recognized religion ?
So is that your official stance? Are you saying you don't believe the Church of England isn't the official state religion of England? Put your view on the record and I'll happily provide you with evidence.Do you an evidence for that ? I don't care about the religion practiced by the queen or David Cameroon
Alright. Here we go.There is no law that says the church of England is the official state religion. The monarch faith is not an argument.
Start with the preface of the 39 articles of faith.
http://www.justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/1662/articles.pdf
Also the Act of Supremacy.
http://www.britainexpress.com/History/tudor/supremacy-henry-text.htm
Of course wikipedia isn't the best source but it is fairly concise in it's introduction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Englandwikipedia said:The Church of England is the officially-established Christian Church[3][4][5] in England
Of course there are many sources that document that status.
http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/rachelmccleary/files/state_religion.pdf
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/State_religion#England
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/cofe/cofe_1.shtml
http://www.visitbritain.com/en/About-Britain/Religion/
http://www.lawandreligionuk.com/2012/12/14/church-and-state-an-idiots-guide/
GoWest, what you are doing is throwing up sand. A half dozen democracies have clear state religions. You lost the point. Arguing about pedantry doesn't save you.
Let's enumerate your losses:
1. The West Bank isn't part of Israel
2. Palestine is a state
3. Netanyahu never said there wouldn't ever be a two state solution
4. Even if Palestine weren't a state it still wouldn't be part of Israel
5. A one state solution is impossible, given the reality is Arab racist aggression
6. Lots of democracies have state religions
Need we go on?
Let's enumerate your losses:
1. The West Bank isn't part of Israel
2. Palestine is a state
3. Netanyahu never said there wouldn't ever be a two state solution
4. Even if Palestine weren't a state it still wouldn't be part of Israel
5. A one state solution is impossible, given the reality is Arab racist aggression
6. Lots of democracies have state religions
Need we go on?
Of course you do, you want to see all the Jews ethnically cleansed from the Middle East. We all know that.I think Palestinians should work together with Mr Netanyahu to move forward with one state solution
Having just watched the video -- no he didn't. He didn't defend a one state solution AT ALL. He rejected the idea of a Palestinian state. He did not say that he thought those people should then all become part of Israel -- in fact he clearly suggested that they should become part of Jordan, which he repeatedly said was already the Palestinian state. He thought that only those actually born in Israel should get Israeli citizenship - hardly your view of a one state solution. In fact, his view was even more hardline than his present view is today.Young Benjamin Netanyahu Defends ONE State Solution
It's nice to see consistently from you though -- consistent LYING. And I note that whoever uploaded that video ("CultOfMilitarism" youtube user) is a liar as well, as they put that lie of a title on the youtube upload. Well, no surprise there -- supporters of Palestinian terrorism tend to be liars, don't they.
I understand that you are given your talking points, and have no choice in the matters, but the plotline, that the peace negotiations have gone nowhere for decades, because the Palestinians steadfastly have refused Israel's desperate attempts to create a Palestinian country is a new record from your little circle of jerks.When you say that the "rest of the world" hasn't heard of something that has been widely published in pretty much every major news outlet (I linked the NYT article) -- then YOU ARE A LAUGHINGSTOCK.
I wonder if you know what a fraud you are? I mean, you were given a link proving your statement was wrong, and yet you continue.I understand that you are given your talking points, and have no choice in the matters, but the plotline, that the peace negotiations have gone nowhere for decades, because the Palestinians steadfastly have refused Israel's desperate attempts to create a Palestinian country is a new record from your little circle of jerks.
Take a look at GoWest's quote below.I understand that you are given your talking points, and have no choice in the matters, but the plotline, that the peace negotiations have gone nowhere for decades, because the Palestinians steadfastly have refused Israel's desperate attempts to create a Palestinian country is a new record from your little circle of jerks.
The "plotline" is that your buddy GoWest keeps saying that Israel has deliberately kept the Palestinians stateless. In fact, the Palestinians were offered their own state on three occasions. The Palestinians rejected the offers.
Israel has not been "keeping" the Palestinians stateless. The Palestinians were provided with historic opportunities to have their own state, in 2000, 2001 and 2008. The Palestinians rejected the offers.Even if that was true, do these countries have a policy of keeping a majority of its citizens from this religion and keeping ( majority of ) followers of other faiths stateless because they don't want them to outnumber those of the officially recognized religion ?
As for Israel's desire to keep its own state predominantly Jewish, every person who is familiar with the events of the 20th century would support that idea.
That's pretty funny -- now, you're praising the views of a guy who revealed yesterday that he knows nothing about affairs in the Middle East (I guess the offers of Palestinian statehood weren't covered on Teletoons).Good point. According to Fuji Palestinians are desperate to stay part of Israel because they rejected several times Israel's desperate attempts to create a Palestinian state, so why should we force that solution on people who are overwhelmingly opposed to it ? One state solution is the way to go.
There was nothing "desperate" about the offers of statehood. The Palestinians were offered pretty much everything they could have wanted. They rejected the offers because it would have meant accepting the existence of a Jewish nation in the Middle East.
By the way, if you're so familiar with the offers of statehood, why did you spend days repeatedly posting that the Palestinians were "denied" any chance to establish their own state?
