The "way to go"?
I thought you were claiming the West Bank and Gaza are already part of the state of Israel. I do wish you would make up your mind.
Bibi Wins, Two State Solution Dies?
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I thought you were claiming the West Bank and Gaza are already part of the state of Israel. I do wish you would make up your mind.
Are you saying that folding parts of the west bank territory and its Palestinian population into Jordan is supporting the one state solution you envision? Because that is what he advocated.Why are you lying, he said the ones in the west bank should be given the same rights as the Israeli arabs including the right to vote and he suggested they get either Israeli citizenship or Jordanian.
He argued a "PLO state" would have the destruction of Israel as its sole purpose and that Jordan is already a Palestinian state. Is this what you agree with?
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I never said why such thing. More of your blatant lying.Good point. According to Fuji Palestinians are desperate to stay part of Israel because they rejected several times Israel's desperate attempts to create a Palestinian state, so why should we force that solution on people who are overwhelmingly opposed to it ? One state solution is the way to go.
I notice GoWest has run away from the discussion of Morocco and from the discussion of state religions. We can add two more things to the list of arguments he has lost:
1. Every Arab majority country has persecuted Jews
2. Lots of democracies have state religions
1. Every Arab majority country has persecuted Jews
2. Lots of democracies have state religions
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So once again we have a situation where the world says one thing but you disagree. You have to be the biggest joke on terb.OK but then the Church of England is established in England only and not the rest of the UK. England is not an independent state, so there is no official religion in the UK, what's your point ?
Your fist link is the church website not a government one . your second link talks about history. You aren't able to bring any official government state or law , not an old obsolete text from 1534 ,that states that there is an official religion in the UK
Yet the Palestinians overwhelmingly reject that concept. Pretty pathetic that you claim to espouse Palestinian democracy then completely ignore what they say....
I think Palestinians should work together with Mr Netanyahu to move forward with one state solution
How many times do I have to remind you that the Palestinians were offered their own state and that they rejected the offers?Israel is using it to keep 4 millions of arabs stateless .
Maybe if you repeat it often enough it becomes the truth (in your mind).How many times do I have to remind you that the Palestinians were offered their own state and that they rejected the offers?
Maybe I wouldn't need to repeat it at all if you would spend some time learning about this topic, rather than just spouting baseless opinions.Maybe if you repeat it often enough it becomes the truth (in your mind).
And Israel's laws protect the religious rights of all citizens as well.It depends how it's interpreted . Denmark has a state religion in the constitution but muslims and jews in Denmark enjoy higher degree of tolerance compared even to some other european countries. Technically Denmark is acting as a secular democracy.
Israel is using it to keep 4 millions of arabs stateless .
Meanwhile there are 4 million who don't want to be Israeli, most of whom (according to Palestinian polls) support violence against Israeli civilians.
And he clearly stated that one way for them to achieve those rights is to become Jordanian citizens.He never advocated handing over the west bank to Jordan. Watch the video again. He said that arabs living in the west bank would be given equal rights same as Israeli arabs and would either be given Israeli citizenship or have a Jordanian citizenship.
He left open for negotiation which areas would be Israel and which areas would be Jordan. Presumably, the security wall would now make a good dividing line.
You certainly just shot your own one state proposal in the foot by highlighting the Arab persecution of Jews in the 20th century.Jews have never been persecuted in Morocco before 1947. This is a blatant lie. The riots you're talking about happened after 1947 and were related to the palestinian-israeli conflict.
the reason why I picked Morocco because you argued that jews enjoyed higher degrees of tolerance thanks to Ottomans, Morocco has never been part of Ottoman empire
I could easily go find examples of persecution of Jews prior to the 20th century but there is no need to, we have both agreed that in recent history Jews in Morocco have faced utterly unacceptable persecution by Arabs.
No Arab majority state can protect the Jews. No Arab majority state ever has.
I watched it twice. He clearly expects some to become Israeli and some to become Jordanian. He also pointed out repeatedly that Jordan is already a Palestinian state, and you have stated you agree with him.He also clearly stated that another way is to become Israeli citizens, watch the video again.
Anyway Jordan gave up any claim regarding the west bank since they signed the peace agreement in 1994, so the second option suggested by Netenyahu in 1978 is left.
Israel doesn't claim it either so Jordan giving up a claim is irrelevant, Jordan could be pressured or bribed to take it.
That is YOUR hate fantasy. He clearly thinks it would be split between Israel and Jordan. That is why he discussed Palestinians gaining equality through Jordanian citizenship.I agree with him, Jordan is the palestinian state. Jordan gave up claims regarding the west bank , so now the west bank is part of Greater Israel.
Welcome to Fantasy Island.Jordan gave up claims regarding the west bank , so now the west bank is part of Greater Israel.
Doesn't it bother you that the Palestinians are vastly opposed to your plan?He also clearly stated that another way is to become Israeli citizens,...
Also, do you really think a misconstrued quote from before you are born has any bearing?
GoWest, the list of topics you have been wrong about is growing pretty long now, at what point are you going to agree this one state solution idea is dead?
Yes we have noticed all the topics you went silent on after facts crushed your claims.
Yes we have noticed all the topics you went silent on after facts crushed your claims.
Nonsense, it just won't happen anytime soon.Fuji, let's summarize
1- Two states soution is dead .
According to Hamas as well, PLO too when they talk in Arabic.2- You argue that an arab state isn't a solution because Arabs would ethnically cleanse jews according to you.
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Nobody is ethnically cleansing Arabs in Gaza, liar. You are caught MAKING THINGS UP. Last I checked the Arab population in Gaza was growing briskly.3- The jewish state hasn't been proved to be successful neither because the Israeli army is trying to ethnically cleanse Arabs in Gaza
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No it isn't. You lost that point, in fact ran away from the debate. The west bank is not part of Israel and the people there are not integral to the Israeli economy.and the Israeli government is establishing apartheid regim in West Bank.
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Not possible. Without IDF safeguarding the Jews, the Arabs would resort to pogroms and violent ethnic cleansing as they have everywhere else, and as they PROMISE to do.4- So the only option left is a binational state Jewish/arab or a a secular/neutral one that protects both jews and arabs.
You imaging a state that can keep Arab violence under control? You can label the state "secular" but Hamas isn't secular.
The hard reality is that it takes a Jewish military to protect Jews. No piece of paper with the word "secular" printed on it is a substitute for the Israeli Defense Force.
That eliminates the one state solution from any consideration. The alternative to a two state solution is to pressure Jordan to absorb the west bank areas A and B.
You can't say you will force Israel to absorb it but let the actual Palestinian state get off just because they currently say no. Less bloodshed and greater stability of achieved by making it part of Jordan.
Then the Palestinians are not stateless.I agree with him, Jordan is the palestinian state.....
Because legitimate polling organizations have asked that question every 3 months for the past decade and the answer is always the same.Hos do you know they are opposed to it ? Ju...
What is also the same is your idiotic avoidance of reality.
