Bibi Wins, Two State Solution Dies?

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So if you criticize the occupation of Ukraine by Russian regime ,would you be considered a russian hater ?
No, you wouldnt be. Just as if you occassionally criticized Israel you wouldnt necessarily be an anti-semite. But if you constantly criticize Jews and/or Israel, you probably are an anti-semite.

Let me use an anology. What if I made the following posts at least once or twice a week:

Blacks are constantly dealing drugs.
Blacks need to get off welfare.
Blacks hate Arabs.
Blacks smell.

Would that qualify me as a racist?? I think most people would say 'yes' to that
 

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He said that they won't have a state, that means that Area C will stay under control of Israeli government and the movement of people living there will be controlled by the ISraeli authorities , they will be surrounded by walls and prevented from leaving that area without permission of Israel, unless he's willing to give them Israeli citizenship. How is this different from a reserve or a bantustan in South Africa ?
So you lied. Nice of you to admit it.
 

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No, you wouldnt be. Just as if you occassionally criticized Israel you wouldnt necessarily be an anti-semite. But if you constantly criticize Jews and/or Israel, you probably are an anti-semite.
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Not all of them are anti-semites. Some are just flat out racist.

For example if there was a poster who constantly blamed Israel for everything imaginable then turns around and say Arabs are incapable of democracy the he would be showing they're just flat out racist trash. That kind of racist view would be notti. Whoops, I mean nutty.
 

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Saying that Israeli government is violating human rights in West Bank isn't racist. Saying that arabs are genetically incapable of democracy is racist, and BTW Tunisia has a democratically elected government which contradicts your racist claims.
What puts you under suspicion is that you misrepresent and perhaps even lie in order to malign Israel. When you post falsehoods and they are exposed you ignore that correction and then repeat your refuted claim.

It is because you have constantly criticized Israel and done so based on deception and dishonesty that we suspect you
 

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That was New York Times article not mine.I just quoted an article from new York Times
Yeah, and why did you find it necessary to start a thread about it??

Come on now GW, be honest. You can do this
 

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Saying that Israeli government is violating human rights in West Bank isn't racist. Saying that arabs are genetically incapable of democracy is racist, and BTW Tunisia has a democratically elected government which contradicts your racist claims.
You should really try reading posts fully before pulling out claims of racism. It is another poster that shares you opinions on Israel that I am referring to.
 

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They are denied Israeli citizenship: Their territory is part of Israel because they are denied a state but they are kept stateless
How many times do you have to be informed; the West Bank is not part of Israel. The West Bank Palestinians don't want to be Israeli citizens. In fact Arabs in East Jerusalem are actively encouraged by Israel to become citizens but based on PA pressure, not many take advantage of it.
 

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Bullshit , who is talking about jews in this thread ? We are talking about Israel politics
You seem to be the one trying to break Israeli politics down into Jews vs. Arabs. A clear majority of Israelis are opposed to annexing the West Bank and only 23% of votes went to Netanyahu.
 

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Their territory is part of a state that denies them citizenship.
You are absolutely insistent on being wrong. No state or organization (including the UN) considers the West Bank a part of Israel but don't let that stop your continual lies.
 

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The spokesman of Israeli government who was recently elected said that there will be no state in the west bank that means it will be part of Israel. If it isn't an independant state , then it's part of Israel. Who should we believe the UN or Netenyahu ? Is Netenyahu lying ?
So what if the entire world disagrees with you? Keep on spewing your garbage.

p.s. A great many Palestinians in the West Bank aren't stateless. Those living or born in the West Bank up to 1967 have Jordanian citizenship.

And since you keep going on about being denied citizenship in the country of your birth, I'm sure you have something to say about the generations of Arabs born in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria amongst others who have been denied citizenship and basic rights in the countries of their birth and instead are used as political pawns.
 

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And since you keep going on about being denied citizenship in the country of your birth, I'm sure you have something to say about the generations of Arabs born in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria amongst others who have been denied citizenship and basic rights in the countries of their birth and instead are used as political pawns.
And just to be clear, this is the kind of issue that separates legitimate criticism from racism. If you criticize Arab states on this you go against the entire theme of your posts. If you ignore the wrongs of Arab states or even worse try to blame it on Israel then your real motivations are clear.
 

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Their territory is part of a state that denies them citizenship and denies them a state at the same time, so who's responsible of them being kept stateless ?
You just can't stop telling this lie, can you? Their territory IS NOT part of Israel.

No matter how many times you bleat and moo the territories will still not be part of Israel.

You are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to make up facts.
 

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Is Nenetnyahu lying ? I'm just referring to what the elected representative of Israeli government said
You are lying.

First, Netanyahu has never said that territory is part is Israel. That is a blatant lie.

Second, it has been pointed out to you about twelve times that Netanyahu doesn't even have the constitutional authority to change the status of that territory, even if he wanted to.

You lie in order to incite hatred against Israel.
 

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Funny when they have a complaint about something, the ultimate insult is to say it's "worse than Israel".

Palestinians demonstrate after Egypt cuts power supply

Egyptian government takes southern Gaza residents off the grid as a result of outstanding debt, provoking angry responses • "Even when we had the war with the Zionists, they did not cut off our power supply and water like el-Sissi the criminal," one says.
Residents of Khan Younis and Rafah took to the streets Tuesday after Egypt had cut off power to parts of the southern Gaza Strip.

The protesters vented their anger at Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi and his government in light of reports that the decision to take parts of those towns off the grid was made by high-ranking officials in Egypt's Ministry of Electricity and Energy. Egyptian media said the government resorted to that measure as a result of outstanding payments owed by a Palestinian utility company. The Palestinian government in the Gaza Strip cannot generate enough power on its own and has over the years had to rely on the Egyptian and Israeli grid.

As a result of ongoing power shortages, schools, hospitals and other institutions had to improvise. A senior official at the Palestinian Energy Ministry told Israel Hayom that healthcare facilities in the southern Gaza Strip had to rely on emergency generators but stressed that this was only a short-term remedy. According to the official, the Palestinian Authority has sent an urgent request to the Egyptian president's bureau, asking el-Sissi to have power restored to the area. He added that without Egypt's electricity, the area could descend into chaos.

The protesters said they were the unintended victims of the ongoing spat between Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip, and the Egyptian government, which considers it a terrorist organization because of its affiliation with the Muslim Brotherhood. Some of them told Arab media that the suffering inflicted by Egypt was worse than the "Israeli blockade," referring to the various restrictions Israel imposes on the Gaza Strip to prevent terrorist activity.

"Even when we had the war with the Zionists, they did not cut off our power supply and water like el-Sissi the criminal," one Palestinian said. "El-Sissi's government is worse than the Zionist occupation," another one said.
Looking forward to Obama and UN condemnation of Egypt LOL.
 

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Amnesty speaks up

State of Palestine: Unlawful and deadly: Rocket and mortar attacks by Palestinian armed groups during the 2014 Gaza/Israel conflict

During the Gaza/Israel conflict in July and August 2014, Palestinian armed groups fired thousands of rockets and mortars at Israel, in many cases directed towards Israeli civilians and civilian objects, in violation of international law. The conduct of Palestinian armed groups, including firing from residential areas and using indiscriminate munitions that cannot be accurately directed at a military target, also endangered civilians in Gaza.
Full report: https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde21/1178/2015/en/
 
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