Bibi Wins, Two State Solution Dies?

basketcase

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There are no rivers that flow from the West bank into Mediterranean sea. Israel pumps the water directly from the source in West bank
The Jordan valley is part of West Bank and Israel is pumping water directly from there....
Before criticizing fuji's lack of geography knowledge you might want to look at a map. The Jordan river runs through entirely Israeli territory north of the West Bank and forms the border between Israel and Jordan south of the West Bank.


You also obviously have no clue what an aquifer is.
 

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wrong. it drains in dead sea and doesn't flow south of west bank, it forms the border between west bank and Jordan north of dead sea. So it doesn't flow beyond west bank.
And Israel diverts the water at the sea of gallilee, in Israel, which is in the Jordan valley, via the national water carrier. Not in Palestinian territory as you claimed.
 

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Most of Jordan river flows into west bank, and Israel also pumps water from there
You are clueless. The national water carrier diverts from Israeli territory, before the water gets to the west bank. The settlers use some water but that isn't pumped to Israel. There is no infrastructure to carry water through the west bank to Israel.
 

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Israel is taking also 80% of west bank aquifers water, not only for settlers.
The mountain aquifer lies under both sides of the green line and Israel pumps out water for Israel on its side of the line.

It turns out you are wrong about water from the Jordan valley and wrong about water from the aquifer.

What will be your next topic?
 

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If it's shared then both sides would share half each
I see you have abandoned your false claim that Israel pumps water out of the West Bank. Let's pause and reflect on that before discussing your new topic.

As for how much water each side should get and whether Israel, populationb over 8 million, should use the same water supply as the West Bank, population under 2 million, I wholesale reject your 50/50 claim.
 

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Now you're admitting that the west bank is part of Israel and the 8 million inhabitants living within the green line are using the resources from West Bank :wink:
Blithering nonsense. Israel draws its water from Israeli territory from a river that goes from Israel to the west bank and from an aquifer that spans the green line.

Next you will be claiming Israel and Syria are the same country because they share a water system, and that Canada and the US are the same country because they share the great lakes.

You really are impressively stupid.
 

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those 8 millions within the green line get 3 to 4 times more water than what west bank Palestinians get per person
So you are no longer claiming that Israel pumps water out of Palestine, and now you have switched to claiming that Israel makes unfair use of the water it pumps from its own territory. You have even ludicrously called Israel using its own water "theft".

You are really screwed up.
 

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As for why Israel uses more water than Palestine, the answer is that Israel had invested in building an economy. Most water is used for agricultural and industrial uses. The Palestinians by contrast invested in war, digging up their water system to make qassam rockets out of their water pipes, and have no meaningful industry.

The reality is that Israel uses less water per dollar of GDP, and you are double counting water. Israel reuses household water for agriculture, so you are counting one litre twice when it is first used as drinking water and then used again for agriculture.

The Palestinians, including the Jordanians, having not focused on advances like that, use a litre only once either for drinking or for agriculture.

If you ever go to the middle east, visit Jordan and then Israel. Notice that Jordan is a barren desert, while Israel is lush with farms. Realize that this is because Israel makes efficient use of water while Jordan does not, even though they have essentially the same resources.

I point out Jordan because Jordan is an independent Palestinian state and shows what the Palestinians are not capable of even when not occupied and given ample opportunity and resources.
 

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That contradicts your claims that palestinians wouldn't accept peace with jews if they were given their state. Jordan has signed peace with Israel and millions of Israeli tourists visit Jordan, and thousands of Jordanians work in Israel.
The problem is the PLO, Jordanv kicked them out of the Jordanian part of Palestine and Israel kicked them out of Israel.

It is true that free of the influence of the PLO ordinary Palestinians can be quite peaceful.

It is also true that as an Arab majority state Jordan aggressively persecutes Jews.
 

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So how come most of Israelis have visited Jordan as tourists ?
You think that the definition of tolerance is "allows tourists"? Holy fuck are you ever screwed up.

Jordan is the country that bragged about ethnically cleansing the last Jew from the Jewish Quarter and then toured journalists around to show how synagogues had been turned into pigstys and ancient temples destroyed.
 

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wrong. it drains in dead sea and doesn't flow south of west bank, it forms the border between west bank and Jordan north of dead sea. So it doesn't flow beyond west bank.
Shit son, look at a map. The system goes well south of the dead sea. You really look like a joke when you blather on without checking facts.
 

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And it might be too confusing for little minds but Netanyahu is not yet confirmed as PM since he is yet to make deals with other parties for a coalition.
 

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And it might be too confusing for little minds but Netanyahu is not yet confirmed as PM since he is yet to make deals with other parties for a coalition.
Moreover, his opinion isn't Israeli policy even once he is PM, unless his opinion is voted for by a majority in the Knesset.
 

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Moreover, his opinion isn't Israeli policy even once he is PM, unless his opinion is voted for by a majority in the Knesset.
Do you mean where the majority of MP's voted in don't support the two state solution?
And if its not Netanyahu, is it going to be someone even more right wing?
 

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Do you mean where the majority of MP's voted in don't support the two state solution?
And if its not Netanyahu, is it going to be someone even more right wing?
You are lying about that too. For example, you are counting Netanyahu in that number, and he clearly does support a Palestinian state. Just not in the present circumstances.

You are not going to win the debate by lying. You are only going to lose trust and prove that those committed to the destruction of Israel are inherently dishonest.
 

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You are lying about that too. For example, you are counting Netanyahu in that number, and he clearly does support a Palestinian state. Just not in the present circumstances.

You are not going to win the debate by lying. You are only going to lose trust and prove that those committed to the destruction of Israel are inherently dishonest.
You are the one lying.
"Netanyahu: If I'm elected, there will be no Palestinian state"
That is Netanyahu's election promise.
 

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You are the one lying.
"Netanyahu: If I'm elected, there will be no Palestinian state"
That is Netanyahu's election promise.
You are SO FUCKING DISHONEST, you cut that sentence short and took it out of context. He said a Palestinian state want CURRENTLY POSSIBLE, he also said he supports one.

You know he said that because I gave you the full quote.
 

basketcase

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Do you mean where the majority of MP's voted in don't support the two state solution?
And if its not Netanyahu, is it going to be someone even more right wing?
You made this shit up before and were exposed yet it hasn't stopped you from continuing this lie. Fact is the official party positions of the majority of MKs support a Two State peace. Of course instead of believing official party stances, you choose to believe an undocumented blog.

And no, if Netanyahu can't organize a coalition, then Hetzog will be offered the next opportunity.

p.s. I wonder if a guy named groggy missed the board so much he's re-registered. He used the exact same tactics; lies, refuted arguments, and pedantic arguing with fuji.


p.p.s. The majority of elected Palestinians legislators (when they allowed themselves elections) are not only opposed to a two state peace but favour the destruction of Israel and the Jewish presence in the Middle East. As someone who theoretically supports peace, that should bother you. Instead you try and make excuses for Hamas.
 

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p.s. I wonder if a guy named groggy missed the board so much he's re-registered. He used the exact same tactics; lies, refuted arguments, and pedantic arguing with fuji.
There's an easy way to test that. I could cite a certain Hamas leader's blood libel and see if Frank defends it.
 
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