Obviously they do in the case of Israelis living in the West Bank.
And are you saying Italy is undemocratic because Italians living outside the country can vote?
Bibi Wins, Two State Solution Dies?
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And are you saying Italy is undemocratic because Italians living outside the country can vote?
Frank, serious question
You have spent pages going on about Israeli choices for peace. Is there a reason you refuse to also criticize Palestinian choices towards peace? Shouldn't PA/PLO refusals of peace plans factor into your blame or more significantly that one of the two Palestinian governments openly and repeatedly states their refusal to accept any permanent peace deal? Or is there something special about Israel that makes you feel that they are the only ones worth blaming?
Here's an example from today's news.
“We tell the Zionist enemy: you are all a target for us and the resistance, we will fight you until we finally get rid of you and take as many captives as possible to free our heroes,” said Khalil al-Haya, whose Islamist movement rules the Palestinian enclave.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-its-our-right-to-abduct-israelis-to-free-prisoners/
You have spent pages going on about Israeli choices for peace. Is there a reason you refuse to also criticize Palestinian choices towards peace? Shouldn't PA/PLO refusals of peace plans factor into your blame or more significantly that one of the two Palestinian governments openly and repeatedly states their refusal to accept any permanent peace deal? Or is there something special about Israel that makes you feel that they are the only ones worth blaming?
Here's an example from today's news.
“We tell the Zionist enemy: you are all a target for us and the resistance, we will fight you until we finally get rid of you and take as many captives as possible to free our heroes,” said Khalil al-Haya, whose Islamist movement rules the Palestinian enclave.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-its-our-right-to-abduct-israelis-to-free-prisoners/
I'll call bullshit again. Show me some kind of government document that defines the West Bank settlers as either living in Israel or that they're allowed to vote only because of where they live.Because Italy allow absentee vote but Israel doesn't allow it. Settlers living in the west bank vote because of where they live...
You are wrong, Israeli citizens living abroad can vote at Israeli embassies and consulates. Settlers vote because they are citizens, not because of where they live. Any Israeli citizen who can get to a polling station can vote, and Israel runs polling stations all around the world.Because Italy allow absentee vote but Israel doesn't allow it.
Israel doesn't have mail in ballots, but it does operate polls outside Israel for expats.
You continually MAKE STUFF UP.
Israeli election law also allows polls to be operated on non Israeli territory that is held by IDF, and the polls exist inside the security wall, where the settlements are, not everywhere in the west bank, certainly no polls in Area A or Area B.
Israeli election law explicitly says that polls can be held on non Israeli territory that is under the control of IDF.1-The website of Israeli consulate says only Israeli citizens living on Israeli soil can vote in Israeli elections except diplomats.
False. It recognizes it as NON ISRAELI terroritory under the control of IDF.3- 1+2 : The Israeli government recognizes the west bank as part of Israeli soil in terms of elections
The Palestinians were offered an independent state on three occasions and rejected the offers. The two-state solution can't be achieved because the Palestinians can't get past their Jew hatred.That argument doesn't hold water when you look at the 'facts on the ground' as Netanyahu calls them.
Israel has settled the occupied lands and will never leave.
They have effectively ended the two state solution and Netanyahu's election promise only confirms what his actions spoke against what he said in polite society.
The Palestinians have no right to expect that they will be awarded majority control of Israel as a prize for their Jew hatred.
That makes absolutely no sense.It's under Israeli control. A military occupation is temporary but when it becomes permanent, the territory becomes part of Israel especially when the leader of the governement declares that he won't allow to end the occupation.
Also under international laws a military occupier isn't allowed to settle civilian population, so clearly it isn't just a military occupation but everything Israel is doing there is to make this territory part of Israel.
Israel would gain nothing from making the territory part of the state of Israel. That would mean it would ultimately be pressured to allow the Palestinians to vote as Israel citizens and it would lose its existence as a Jewish state.
The stumbling block is that the Palestinians can't accept the existence of a Jewish state in the Middle East. Criticize Netanyahu's comments all you like but that isn't really something he can control.
Except the election law, which is far more authoritative, explicitly says that polls can be held on foreign soil that is controlled by IDF.OK once again I'm quoting what's in the Israeli consulate website:
http://embassies.gov.il/toronto/NewsAndEvents/Pages/FAQ_Elections_Israel.aspx
Israeli law does not provide for absentee ballots and in general, voting takes place only on Israeli soil.
That is not apartheid. That is a border.They don't have to. They can make it an apartheid regim and force Palestinians in heir bantustans ( Area A as Fuji calls it) without any civil rights or voting rights.
Under apartheid the bantustans were integral to the South African economy, being the backbone of the labor force. They were not in any meaningful way separate from South Africa.
The West Bank, outside the security wall, is not in any meaningful way a part of Israel. It's population is irrelevant to the Israeli economy, Israel does not rely on it for resources or anything else. It is occupied by Israel only for security reasons: if Israel withdrew it would turn into a terrorist enclave and threaten major Israeli cities.
Other than in your hate fantasy it is nothing whatsoever like apartheid. If Israel can find another way to contain Palestinian violence, say, a really good Iron Dome, Israel could and would withdraw completely.
Except that in fact they were integral to the South African economy, totally unlike the West Bank which is completely separate from the Israeli economy. You are just flat wrong.You have to read more about bantustans, actually south african government tried to declare the bantustans as independent puppet states and pretend they aren't part of south africa.
It flows into Israel, the way rivers flow from Canada into the US. That doesn't make Canada part of the US. You are laughable!what a jocke, 50% of Israel's water comes from the west bank
Another idiotic statement made without bothering to look at a map.... in heir bantustans ....
http://israelstreet.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/ppp.png
Actually that's wrong. It's not that he can't look at a map. It's that he refuses to let facts get in the way of a good argument.
I had no idea that apartheid regimes were so internationally popular.They don't have to. They can make it an apartheid regime and force Palestinians in heir bantustans ( Area A as Fuji calls it) without any civil rights or voting rights.
This continues to make absolutely no sense. I can't see any short-term benefit and in the long run (recognizing that an apartheid regime would face all kinds of international sanctions, etc.) it would be suicidal to the Jewish state.
If you don't have a clue, don't post.There are no rivers that flow from the West bank into Mediterranean sea. Israel pumps the water directly from the source in West bank
Israel pumps water out mostly on in its side of the green line, and from the Sea of Galilee. The Palestinian claim that this is unfair is based on the water flowing through (or partly through) the west bank before it gets to the sea or to the aquifer from which Israel pumps it, but the sea and the aquifer are both inside the green line.
Clearly the west bank settlements get their water from their area and the rest of your misleading claim is to pretend that water extracted in and used by the settlements is being pumped out of the west bank, which hilariously contradicts your other claims about the status of that land.
The Jordan valley contains the Jordan river which flows through the Sea of Galilee, geography genius.You have to read more about Geography. Galilee sea isn't in the west bank. Israel pumps water directly from Jordan Valley which is located in the west bank outside the green line.
The Jordan valley includes the Sea of Galilee which is where the national water carrier diverts it from.The Jordan valley is part of West Bank and Israel is pumping water directly from there.
And the mountain aquifer lies under both sides of the green line, Israel pumps out from its side.
The settlements do use water from their own areas.
The Jordan valley stretches between Israel and the west bank, geography genius. Israel diverts water from it from the Israeli section of the Jordan valley before it flows into the west bank through a water system called the national water carrier. Because of the national water carrier the flow into the west bank is reduced. Israeli settlers in the Jordan valley also use water but that isn't pumped out anywhere, it is used by them right there.I'm talking about Jordan valley that is located in West Bank.
The other dispute is over the mountain aquifer. It lies mostly under the west bank and is fed mostly by rain in the west bank, but it drains across the green line and Israel pumps water out on its side.
Just checked up on the issue a bit and found this article.
Its enlightening.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.574554
Its enlightening.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.574554
What left wing Haaretz somehow forgot to mention is that Israel has many times tried to build better water infrastructure in Gaza. Guess what happens?
You know all those rockets the Palestinians fire at Israel? What do you think they are made of?
Yup, the Palestinians dig up the water systems and use the pipes as fuselages for their Qassam rockets.
You know all those rockets the Palestinians fire at Israel? What do you think they are made of?
Yup, the Palestinians dig up the water systems and use the pipes as fuselages for their Qassam rockets.
Israel bombs it.What left wing Haaretz somehow forgot to mention is that Israel has many times tried to build better water infrastructure in Gaza. Guess what happens?
Right?
