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Except they are not 3 year olds and you have no business telling them what to do, you are not their daddy. If you have daddy issues see Giselle from HPL, she will treat you like one. As you rightly noted there is a counter argument to every one of your arguments. Two main ones being: 1 that mRNA vaccines are new, they hit the market about a year ago and work very differently from everything done previously, so here you can only hope that science is right, 2 For vast majority of people mortality rate is below 1% they don't need that vaccine, people 75+ are in high risk category and skew that statistic to about 2% or so on average.
Stop trying to reason with them. They support tyranny and anyone who disagrees with them or tries to explain it to them is an antivaxx anti-mask right wing racist covidiot.
 
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There sure maybe some experts in the government but you wouldn't deny that we have quite a few people who are not real experts in the government like the Minister of Finance who's actually a journalist with a degree in slavic literature. She's calling the shots on our economy and some may even believe she's an expert. The reality is she's there because the golden boy wanted a representative government. My point is that you should by now have noticed that not everything that shines is gold and making it in Ottawa does not mean you know some sacred truth. So depending on what we are talking about there may be far more knowledgeable people on youtube and other social networks than some people in the government.
You know that's not correct. The reason these people are on YT and Twitter and not at some prestigious institute is that they're grifters and con artists. Are some ministers dumb?.... Sure. But they have dozens of civil service experts to give them memos. That's how it works.
 

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There are a lot of fake videos on YouTube and "the guy who developed mRNA vaccine" is the biggest and best known of the fakes. You got grifted there. That dude has been debunked. You can google it. It's a scam.

The government does what it thinks is reasonable. There's no "bargain" where they give you Xmas presents if you vote for someone.
How is it scam if even his wiki page gives him among other people credit for working on technology? The guy got canceled for saying things about ivermectin (of which I know nothing about and cannot support) and warning people about what he knew about mRNA technology. But the guy legitimately worked in that tech.
 

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Stop trying to reason with them. They support tyranny and anyone who disagrees with them or tries to explain it to them is an antivaxx anti-mask right wing racist covidiot.
It's not tyranny. It's government doing its thing reasonably and normally.

Fact that you don't like a law matters shit. You'll go to jail anyway. It was like that in my father's day. It's like that now.

You beat up your girlfriend, you'll go to jail. You might figure that she deserved it and it's a dumb law. Matters shit. You'll still go to jail.

You drive 100 km/h on the Lakeshore, you'll get a big ass ticket. It's dumb - IMHO - because Lakeshore's a big wide, straight road. But the speed limit is still 60 and you'll still get a big ass ticket. That's not "tyranny". That's just a law you don't agree with that you got busted for anyway.
 
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How is it scam if even his wiki page gives him among other people credit for working on technology? The guy got canceled for saying things about ivermectin (of which I know nothing about and cannot support) and warning people about what he knew about mRNA technology. But the guy legitimately worked in that tech.
Because he did some very early preliminary work and then dropped out. And then he decided he could make more $$$$ grifting.
 
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You know that's not correct. The reason these people are on YT and Twitter and not at some prestigious institute is that they're grifters and con artists. Are some ministers dumb?.... Sure. But they have dozens of civil service experts to give them memos. That's how it works.
If it was true then every government decision would be always right but it unfortunately isn't. There are smart and knowledgeable people outside of government.
 

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How is it scam if even his wiki page gives him among other people credit for working on technology? The guy got canceled for saying things about ivermectin (of which I know nothing about and cannot support) and warning people about what he knew about mRNA technology. But the guy legitimately worked in that tech.
What did I just inform you. You can't convince them. They're trolling you and anyone else who has an opinion that disagrees with theirs. No matter how much proof you show them they'll always laugh at you and say it's bullshit. They called Rocco Galati a high prominent civil rights lawyer a moron yet his clients say otherwise.
 
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If it was true then every government decision would be always right but it unfortunately isn't. There are smart and knowledgeable people outside of government.
Not on social media, opposing everything the government is saying.
 

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Because he did some very early preliminary work and then dropped out. And then he decided he could make more $$$$ grifting.
But he did work on it didn't he in the 90s meaning that he knows technology, better than you and I and everybody on here combined, no? So that makes him an expert and he shared his expert opinion on it. It may not be correct or may be partially correct but it is expert opinion not scam. Scam is when you say you did something but you didn't, you say you went to school but you didn't etc.
 

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It's not tyranny. It's government doing its thing reasonably and normally.

Fact that you don't like a law matters shit. You'll go to jail anyway. It was like that in my father's day. It's like that now.


You beat up your girlfriend, you'll go to jail. You might figure that she deserved it and it's a dumb law. Matters shit. You'll still go to jail.
You're comparing refusing a vaccine to domestic violence. Yet comparing restrictions to Nazis is dumb.
 

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Except they are not 3 year olds and you have no business telling them what to do, you are not their daddy. If you have daddy issues see Giselle from HPL, she will treat you like one. As you rightly noted there is a counter argument to every one of your arguments. Two main ones being: 1 that mRNA vaccines are new, they hit the market about a year ago and work very differently from everything done previously, so here you can only hope that science is right, 2 For vast majority of people mortality rate is below 1% they don't need that vaccine, people 75+ are in high risk category and skew that statistic to about 2% or so on average.
Wrong. We tell people to wear seatbelts. We tell people to not smoke indoors.

You're right, they aren't 3 year olds and I never said they were. But they sure as hell act that way. You can't reason with them and they throw tantrums/violent protests etc.

And thank you for all of your "but, but, buts".
 

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The word Nazi is used when referring to control. It always get s tossed around when you have a strict teacher or a boss who breaks your balls okay No one is comparing this to the killing of innocent people.
Then use the word control.

When you use the word Nazi it is fair to point out their tactics and how they are totally inappropriate if not totally disgusting. Nazis killed innocent people. If you are calling people Nazis, the 1st thing that comes to anybody's mind is the atrocities that they committed. It was their hallmark and is their legacy.

Nice try at backtracking. Actually, it was a poor and transparent try at backtracking.
 
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I hope so. I'd like to see that dimwit Chris Sky and a couple of his buddies arrested here.

It's called arresting someone for conspiracy to commit a criminal offence. Perfectly normal charge.
Curious, that the simple right to voice one's opinion in public is now a conspiracy. Just like under the Nazis and just like I remember under the Soviets. I wonder If "they" will show up in the middle the night, too?
 
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Then use the word control.

When you use the word Nazi it is fair to point out their tactics and how they are totally inappropriate if not totally disgusting. Nazis killed innocent people. If you are calling people Nazis, the 1st thing that comes to anybody's mind is the atrocities that they committed. It was their hallmark and is their legacy.

Nice try at backtracking. Actually, it was a poor and transparent try at backtracking.
Actually, it's a completely accurate description because before the Nazis(or Communists) got down to murdering their opponents, they first established the legal framework and the security apparatus.
 

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But he did work on it didn't he in the 90s meaning that he knows technology, better than you and I and everybody on here combined, no? So that makes him an expert and he shared his expert opinion on it. It may not be correct or may be partially correct but it is expert opinion not scam. Scam is when you say you did something but you didn't, you say you went to school but you didn't etc.
Sure. He knows more than us. But that makes him a liar and a grifter.

Where are all the dozens of other scientist who studied the vaccine, tested it, worked on it? Why aren't THEY coming forward to tell you not to use it?!

How about the doctors who administer it and prescribe it? Do they know a shitload more than us?.... Uh-huh. The medical community is 95% vaccinated. Most telling fact in all of this, right?

If doctors were 30% vaccinated and saying they have reservations, everyone would have a far different opinion. But no. The doctors LOVE the vaccine. There are a few renegades, but most of those are hawking a book, a miracle cure of their own or are charging to go on a speaking tour about how "bad" the vaccine is. It's ALL a grift.
 
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Stop trying to reason with them. They support tyranny and anyone who disagrees with them or tries to explain it to them is an antivaxx anti-mask right wing racist covidiot.
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Actually, it's a completely accurate description because before the Nazis(or Communists) got down to murdering their opponents, they first established the legal framework and the security apparatus.
But the legacy of Naziism is the atrocities that they committed. 6 million dead Jews and a world war. So when someone uses the word Nazi as a comparative the first things people think of is murders and concentration camp. Nuremberg was about atrocities against humanity, not about legal framework and/or security apparatus. If they didn't use those measures to kill millions and millions, they would not have been put on trial.

Did you lose any relatives in the war? To try to downplay what Naziism meant, is totally shameful of you. You have said a lot of terrible things on TERB, but this is the lowest of the low, and just for the sake of justifying people to deny the vaccine that will help the world recover and then assemble for disruptive protests.

SHAMEFUL.
 
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But the legacy of Naziism is the atrocities that they committed. 6 million dead Jews and a world war. So when someone uses the word Nazi as a comparative the first things people think of is murders and concentration camp. Nuremberg was about atrocities against humanity, not about legal framework and/or security apparatus. If they didn't use those measures to kill millions and millions, they would not have been put on trial.

Did you lose any relatives in the war? To try to downplay what Naziism meant, is totally shameful of you. You have said a lot of terrible things on TERB, but this is the lowest of the low, and just for the sake of justifying people to deny the vaccine that will help the world recover and then assemble for disruptive protests.

SHAMEFUL.
FYI, I have lost almost all my family in the war- most to the Germans and few to Russians, so I think I know what I'm talking about.
 
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