Australia Has Fallen

[mandrill]

If a supposedly trained law enforcement officer can't restrain and subdue a female quite a bit smaller than him without wrapping his hands around her throat then he needs to be sidelined and retrained.
Can you imagine if this happened in the states and she were a POC.......There would be a huge out cry from the left.
Anybody who defends this type of behaviour is just plain ignorant.
Usually I defend the police but they are using obvious excessive force in the videos I have seen and posted. In this video age you're going to get taken to task for that.

Ok, smartie. Tell me what the cop is supposed to do that would be safer, quicker and more effective than a chokehold? Punch her? Try and grab her arms, while she ducks and wriggles? Grab her hair?

I'm thinking that chokehold is the quickest, most secure way of doing the job. The girl wasn't injured. She was subdued, although she still resisted arrest while on the ground. Chances are that she WOULD have got injured, if the cop hadn't brought her under control quickly. Cops have a nasty, unpleasant job to do and they have to get it done.

And just stop with the "PoC" comparisons. Few people would have any complaint if that girl were black, not white. All this libtard crap you put out is in your head.

You're also a little too selective in the type of violence you call out and make an issue of. Earlier, I posted a video link about a newscaster being filmed while an anti vaxx rioter threw a soft drink can against the journo's head, cutting his head open. Another anti vaxxer than tackled the newscaster and tried to strangle him. You ignored this video, which featured violence far more egregious than the chokehold on the girl being arrested. What credibility do you have when you ignore every fact that doesn't fit your neat little alt right world view of "patriot freedom fighters against tyranny police oppressors"?..... Pretty much none.

 

[The Oracle]

Yes I am. So go ahead. Wouldn’t be the first time.

There is no way that you don’t know that is wrong and not a proper technique. You know damn well it is not here Canada. Australia and Canada are not that much different in their policing protocols.

Same with the US.

There is no way putting two hands around a persons neck and moving them around with that force is a proper technique.

If it was a black woman in the US, there would be riots over this. In Canada there would Lawsuits, etc

This is not proper and you know it so yeah - I’m calling you out as liar.

Much respect for standing up here........As always you're not afraid to stand your ground on here.

I know we don't always agree but that's inconsequential.

 

[The Oracle]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1441604007949062146

Some more shocking video of the goings on down under.

 

[The Oracle]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1442147665655988227

 

[The Oracle]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1441915212756627456

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1442147665655988227

It's difficult to believe your explanation. There are several dozen cops there. Surely the arrestee was fleeing from an altercation as part of the larger violent riot?

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1441915212756627456

Again, these aren't mask or lock-down violations. Those appear to be fugitives from the demo given the # of cops involved and the amount of struggling that they are doing to avoid arrest.

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1441604007949062146

Some more shocking video of the goings on down under.

Given the # of cops and the number of expensive cameras, that's either riot related or a takedown of someone wanted for organizing the demo. Olivia Jenkins is a reputable reporter and appears to have shot a lot of other footage of the riots. You didn't bother posting her other videos for some reason.

Police appear very professional and appropriate btw. Let's see you support them. You're a big "police lives matter" guy when it comes to arresting BLM protestors.

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1441289563851223051

This is the REAL context to the video posted by Oracle in post #72.

And yes, it's part of the anti lockdown police response. The Aaron Ginn posts appear to be mis captioned and dishonest.

 

[Platon]

It's difficult to believe your explanation. There are several dozen cops there. Surely the arrestee was fleeing from an altercation as part of the larger violent riot?

Why is it so difficult to believe if even HRW produced a statement on the situation in the country, there ought to be something going on there, no? Sure there are provocations which could be the case in this particular case, we will never know. But to not see that the country has descended into a police state, to still be in denial and not believe it is another level ignorance.

 

[The Oracle]

Why is it so difficult to believe if even HRW produced a statement on the situation in the country, there ought to be something going on there, no? Sure there are provocations which could be the case in this particular case, we will never know. But to not see that the country has descended into a police state, to still be in denial and not believe it is another level ignorance.

What's that expression......Ignorance is bliss, lol.

 

[mandrill]

Why is it so difficult to believe if even HRW produced a statement on the situation in the country, there ought to be something going on there, no? Sure there are provocations which could be the case in this particular case, we will never know. But to not see that the country has descended into a police state, to still be in denial and not believe it is another level ignorance.

It's not a police state. You ever see a demo turn violent? I have. Here in Toronto a long time ago. Things got pretty rough.

Those are just cops making arrests because the Australian demo turned violent. That's how arrests are done if the arrestee resists. The stuff listed in HRW doesn't refer to arrests made in the last week during these riots.

 

[Platon]

It's not a police state. You ever see a demo turn violent? I have. Here in Toronto a long time ago. Things got pretty rough.

Those are just cops making arrests because the Australian demo turned violent. That's how arrests are done if the arrestee resists. The stuff listed in HRW doesn't refer to arrests made in the last week during these riots.

It is not just one or two arrests and not just demo arrests it's everything from people being subjected to one of the harshest lockdowns on the planet to police visiting people to give them "friendly advice" to people being grabbed on the street for violating allowed travel distance to whatever it is we see in these videos, which to me looks like a hunt, by almost an army of police force, for most active protestors etc. etc. The thread is about the state Australia is in today, not about this one single video you picked and decided to compare it to a protest in Toronto from long time ago. You cannot possibly claim with a straight face that everything is OK in Australia. It is not, even apolitical, lifestyle bloggers from Australia begin to tell you that it is not OK, that's how messed up the situation is. The country is treating its citizens like they are 12th century peasants.

 

[mandrill]

It is not just one or two arrests and not just demo arrests it's everything from people being subjected to one of the harshest lockdowns on the planet to police visiting people to give them "friendly advice" to people being grabbed on the street for violating allowed travel distance to whatever it is we see in these videos, which to me looks like a hunt, by almost an army of police force, for most active protestors etc. etc. The thread is about the state Australia is in today, not about this one single video you picked and decided to compare it to a protest in Toronto from long time ago. You cannot possibly claim with a straight face that everything is OK in Australia. It is not, even apolitical, lifestyle bloggers from Australia begin to tell you that it is not OK, that's how messed up the situation is. The country is treating its citizens like they are 12th century peasants.

I think the "friendly advice" was fine.

The reason that the "most active" protestors are "hunted" is that they are assaulting police and bystanders. What are the cops supposed to do? Let people get beaten up and do nothing?

Oracle has been posting videos from anti vaxx sites which claim that innocent people are being mobbed by dozens of cops and beaten. That's incorrect. Those are rioters who are getting arrested in the middle of a riot with normal anti riot police tactics. Oracle posted a few videos in this thread and mis-described them and he did a similar thread about very similar stuff in Paris a couple of weeks ago.

The demonstrators occupied public monuments and blocked off the centre of the city for 3 days in a row and attacked the police when the police tried to peacefully get them to move. What do you expect the cops to do? Several cops were hospitalized.

 

[Platon]

I think the "friendly advice" was fine.

It is a little more than a "friendly advice" and I think you know it, it just so happens that it works your way.

... What do you expect the cops to do? ...

Exactly what they are doing as it is their job! But I expect the government to come to its senses and stop treating people as if they are 12th century peasants.

 

[mandrill]

It is a little more than a "friendly advice" and I think you know it, it just so happens that it works your way.
Exactly what they are doing as it is their job! But I expect the government to come to its senses and stop treating people as if they are 12th century peasants.

Cops are entitled to go door to door suggesting people not attend riots. That's perfectly legal.

You are confusing two issues. The issue you are focusing on is whether the government lock down order is reasonable. (It's certainly legal, since Australia has no Charter of Rights and the government can enact anything it wants).

The issue that I am focusing on is whether cops are entitled to arrest violent demonstrators who assault police and bystanders and police officers who try to clear them out of public spaces.

The HRW article concentrates on the first issue. I have no opinion about that issue, since I have not looked into it enough to form an opinion. If the demos were brief - say 3 or 4 hours - and non violent, I might even support them. But the demos continued for 3 or 4 days and involved blocking the city centre, occupying public property (a war memorial space) and mass assaults on bystanders and cops. So what do you want the cops to do?.... Say "Yes please hit us more and send us to hospital?"

Obviously the cops are going to break up the demo and arrest people.

 

[jcpro]

It is a little more than a "friendly advice" and I think you know it, it just so happens that it works your way.


Exactly what they are doing as it is their job! But I expect the government to come to its senses and stop treating people as if they are 12th century peasants.

Next stop will be preventive arrests of the "known troublemakers ". It's the oldest playbook in the world.

 

[mandrill]

Next stop will be preventive arrests of the "known troublemakers ". It's the oldest playbook in the world.

I hope so. I'd like to see that dimwit Chris Sky and a couple of his buddies arrested here.

It's called arresting someone for conspiracy to commit a criminal offence. Perfectly normal charge.

 

[y2kmark]

Ok, smartie. Tell me what the cop is supposed to do that would be safer, quicker and more effective than a chokehold? Punch her? Try and grab her arms, while she ducks and wriggles? Grab her hair?

I'm thinking that chokehold is the quickest, most secure way of doing the job. The girl wasn't injured. She was subdued, although she still resisted arrest while on the ground. Chances are that she WOULD have got injured, if the cop hadn't brought her under control quickly. Cops have a nasty, unpleasant job to do and they have to get it done.

And just stop with the "PoC" comparisons. Few people would have any complaint if that girl were black, not white. All this libtard crap you put out is in your head.

You're also a little too selective in the type of violence you call out and make an issue of. Earlier, I posted a video link about a newscaster being filmed while an anti vaxx rioter threw a soft drink can against the journo's head, cutting his head open. Another anti vaxxer than tackled the newscaster and tried to strangle him. You ignored this video, which featured violence far more egregious than the chokehold on the girl being arrested. What credibility do you have when you ignore every fact that doesn't fit your neat little alt right world view of "patriot freedom fighters against tyranny police oppressors"?..... Pretty much none.

Lolacle the orafice is a righty thru and thru. He'd say grab her by the pussy!...

 

[Platon]

Cops are entitled to go door to door suggesting people not attend riots. That's perfectly legal.

You are confusing two issues. The issue you are focusing on is whether the government lock down order is reasonable. (It's certainly legal, since Australia has no Charter of Rights and the government can enact anything it wants).

The issue that I am focusing on is whether cops are entitled to arrest violent demonstrators who assault police and bystanders and police officers who try to clear them out of public spaces.

The HRW article concentrates on the first issue. I have no opinion about that issue, since I have not looked into it enough to form an opinion. If the demos were brief - say 3 or 4 hours - and non violent, I might even support them. But the demos continued for 3 or 4 days and involved blocking the city centre, occupying public property (a war memorial space) and mass assaults on bystanders and cops. So what do you want the cops to do?.... Say "Yes please hit us more and send us to hospital?"

Obviously the cops are going to break up the demo and arrest people.

I am not confusing anything I am saying that what they are doing is not reasonable, cannot be and never will be under current set of conditions. The numbers they seeing do no justify any of the stuff they do. I'm in "Australia has fallen" thread not in "How any of that legal" thread. Anything can be made legal, in fact they can make it legal for cops to stick a batton up your ass every time they see you. Legality is not always based on reason, wisdom, logic or common sense. The english for example still have laws which can put you in jail for suspiciously handling a fish; they are not enforced but can be if the government wants to, all it needs to do is say so. That's an extreme (although real) example but I hope you get the point. What I am talking about is the threat (COVID not protestors) and if the reaction to that threat is justified/reasonable, logical and based on some sort of wisdom (sound science for example).