Are white clients less likely to be problem clients?

[fuji]

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1976704&postcount=20

Tina has been widely criticized in the past for her white-only policy, she recently posted that since adopting that policy she has had no more bad clients. She still sees non-white regulars so it`s plainly some bad apples she is worried about, not that she dislikes every non-white. Also note the recent story about to black gang bangers robbing incalls. We also know the problem schools in Toronto are in primarily black areas.

Is racial profiling an effective way for SP`s to limit the number of bad clients they get?

(Poll is anonymous)

 

[CUTTERBUCK]

Interesting topic, fuji. You may have opened up a can of worms. It'll be very interesting to see which direction this post takes.

 

[calloway]

First question... can we assume that Tina is white?

I don't agree with your suggestion that robbery and school issues may have something to do with her decision.

 

[Mia.Colpa]

I don't think anyone will argue an asshole is an asshole no matter what race, colour or religion, and believe you me. The question seems to be whether there are more bad clients on a percentage basis within a certain profile in this business, just like cops keep stats on lawbreakers but don't publish them for fear of backlash.
I believe the ladies are in the best position to answer this question. Based on my discussions with many ladies in this industry, there doesn't seem to be much difference among groups, just as many bad clients whether white or colour, and believe you me, from the many stories I've heard, there many assholes as hobbyests.

 

[big dogie]

First question... can we assume that Tina is white?

QUOTE]

No she is a racist chinc....lol

 

[calloway]

Wasn't there an Asian SP on here a while back that wouldn't see Asian men?

I think her reason was she might unknowingly meet a family member.

 

[stinkynuts]

Yes, whether we like it or not, some races *in general" tend to act differently than others. For example, I have been a student teacher and have noticed that asian students tend to be more respectful and diligent, whereas black students are much more likely to have behavioural issues.

Of course, there is still much variation within races. Limiting yourself to white clients only is not an optimal solution, but it probably would be somewhat effective in reducing the number of problems.

Being non-white myself, I am not offended. But I do think the policy could end up costing her a lot of good business from nice, non-white guys.

 

[fuji]

First question... can we assume that Tina is white?

Tina is Chinese, recently immigrated. Her site is www.kissubaby.com, which plainly states on the front page that new clients should be caucasian. There are many threads about her in the reviews about how she gives bad service to new clients who are non-white, but she also has many regulars who are non-white who say they get great service.

She recently posted (link above) that since adopting the caucasian policy she has not had any more bad clients and now enjoys her work.

This is quite different than the policy that many SP's have of not seeing their own race so as not to run into anyone they know.

 

[The Cock]

Often it's not a race issue per se but more of a cultural issue. For instance, an sp once told me she didn't like to see Indians because they're always trying to haggle over price. Perfectly normal behaviour in India maybe but over here it can seem cheap and bothersome. I doubt this is so much of a problem for second generation Indians.

 

[Deme]

I couldn't help but post to this thread... and as one of the "older" sp's in this industry... i can't believe my ears!! I agree... an asshole is and asshole no matter what race. If the sp... carries herself in a respetful and courteous way... the client should in fact respond accordingly. An sp has the option to leave or to ask that client to leave. You can't paint all clients, races etc. with the same brush....just like you can't look at all sps as one in the same. To say that only Black men cause problems is INSANE. My advice... research the lady on terb... alot of us don't class all clients as one in the same.
Happy hobbeying gentlemen!
~Deme~

 

[Planet]

Tina is Chinese, recently immigrated. Her site is www.kissubaby.com, which plainly states on the front page that new clients should be caucasian. There are many threads about her in the reviews about how she gives bad service to new clients who are non-white, but she also has many regulars who are non-white who say they get great service.

She recently posted (link above) that since adopting the caucasian policy she has not had any more bad clients and now enjoys her work.

This is quite different than the policy that many SP's have of not seeing their own race so as not to run into anyone they know.

IMHO it's her prerogative to limit who she sees. It's not like SPs are serving up burgers.

On the other hand, posting her rules is asking to be flamed. That's the flip side of the reality.

I believe Paige in North York also has similar rules on who she sees.

 

[spatial_k]

IMHO it's her prerogative to limit who she sees. It's not like SPs are serving up burgers.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree. As long as SPs are working in an unregulated industry where they can't reasonably expect protection or respectful treatment then I guess they should be able to take some precautions that they believe will protect them.

 

[trisket]

What are you gonna do, report her to the Human Rights Tribunal?

She's basing her lame logic on her experiences, we all do the same thing. I assume she's run into the small minority of a race and felt threatened.
Now she's dealt with it and feels safer, I sincerely hope it doesn't backfire on her.

 

[ig-88]

As mentioned before, they're not delivering pizzas. If they wish to racially discriminate, that is their choice.

If that affects their bottom line, then so be it.

However, it would certainly help matters and avoid a lot of confrontation, if they would post their restrictions on their website and other advertising.

I have seen this on many SP websites in the States:

"I do not see men of color."

Problem solved. Easy. If it offends you, there are plenty of other fish in the sea.

As for the original question, no. I don't think race by itself is a totally accurate indicator of trouble. Remember that guy who kept harassing SPs and was #1 on Stella's bad date list. He was white.

 

[alex52]

very good post Alexa.

 

[Jimmy C]

First question... can we assume that Tina is white?

You would assume differently if you had read my reviews of her Cal!

 

[Keebler Elf]

To say that only Black men cause problems is INSANE.

But if you actually read what was written, you would know that that isn't being said. The question was, "Are white clients less likely to be problem clients?"

Trying to turn the question into an all-or-nothing proposition is exactly why we can't identify and work to solve the problems facing certain ethnic groups in the GTA.

 

[shack]

told my dad to tell me to stay away from black people, that they were no good. obviously didnt listen and i have some very good friends who are black.

Yeah, and look how you turned out.

 

[Questor]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree. As long as SPs are working in an unregulated industry where they can't reasonably expect protection or respectful treatment then I guess they should be able to take some precautions that they believe will protect them.

Absolutely correct.

yep. asian leelah. http://asianleeyah.com/etiquette

from her site...
"I am unfortunately unable to meet with Oriental clients. In my part-time job, I hold a position that has me dealing with a lot of people in my own community/race. Also am aware of family and friends who hobby also. If you are Oriental and who has seen me before you are excluded from this rule. It is important for me to remain anonymous to the Oriental community."

I take no offence at this on a SP web site. She states her reasons, and her reasons are prefectly reasonable. Its not just a safety issue. Its the fact that the sex industry is marginalized and SP can and will be ostrasized/stigmatized if they are outed. Good for her in setting boundaries that allow her to feel comfortable in her work.

 

[bver_hunter]

The poll results for this day and age is quite shocking. I could understand this attitude if we were in the 1960's, but for 2008 it bears no resemblance to day to day occurrences. To the 48% that said yes that some racial groups have a better chance of being bad clients, are you going to elaborate who these groups are? I know it is an opinion, but to me it all depends on ones upbringing and social status irrespective of race. Each and every race has got their bad and good apples. Normally, a SP who has to see more clients as her rates are very low is more likely to meet more seedy characters than a more upscale SP. In a low demographic group unfortunately the abundance of a certain race may prevail. Historically, there are a number of SPs who have been badly beaten and murdered in Canada. In your minds are these the same races that are responsible for such acts? Would you still vote in the same way if you had to take this fact into account?