Apple takes double-digit PC market share in Canada

[oldjones]

Is that Snow Neopard you're talking about?

Certainly the Weeb has many tales of folks who have installed just plain Leopard (Mac OS 10.5) on PCs and run Mac apps, but I 'spect it's a bit soon to predict how 10.6 will behave. Or how it'll do on a non-Apple Intel box.

Always best to let someone else pull the first all-nighters for that sorta thing.

 

[OddSox]

OK, tomorrow SN comes out. If I get a copy can I install it on my PC as a dual boot like a salesman told me a month ago at the Apple Store or was he wrong?
I can install any Windows OS or Linux distro, can I install SN off the install disc with no problem?

I'm pretty sure you got it backwards...

If you buy a Mac, you can install OS X, Windows, Linux and run them all. OS X will not install on anything but a Mac branded computer without a lot of mucking around.

Why would a salesman at an Apple store suggest that you buy a different brand of PC?

 

[Goomer]

That salesman either misunderstood the question, or he has no idea what he's talking about. No, you cannot install Mac OSX OS on a non-Apple computer, whether it is SL, Leopard, Tiger or any other version of OSX. There have been people who have managed to do it (albeit, with hacker abilities), but you can't just pop it in and install it without major hacking involved.

 

[WoodPeckr]

That salesman either misunderstood the question, or he has no idea what he's talking about.

That's what I thought, it was a new salesman. He told me new SL could be installed on any PC with 64 bit architecture. Other sales people told me that was wrong.
A couple techies told me they are running 'hackintoshes' but I don't want to go through all that.

 

[papasmerf]

These day Apple is a marketing success not a better choice.


The market to the educated elite and do a fine job of it.

 

[Goomer]

These day Apple is a marketing success not a better choice.


The market to the educated elite and do a fine job of it.

And you say this why? What argument can you make to back up this claim? And please don't use the "it's more expensive" because that argument has been done to death and debunked already.

 

[oldjones]

That salesman either misunderstood the question, or he has no idea what he's talking about. No, you cannot install Mac OSX OS on a non-Apple computer, whether it is SL, Leopard, Tiger or any other version of OSX. There have been people who have managed to do it (albeit, with hacker abilities), but you can't just pop it in and install it without major hacking involved.

Either you can or you can't. You've just said both.

Fact is one can, although no one said it was easy, and Apple says a standard Windows install is hard. That and 'major' are in the eye of the hacker, and—to some mothers-in-law—that's anyone who can even turn on a 'puter.

Here's one of a goodly number of Hackintosh: How To Install OS X on Your PC-type internet posts.

 

[Goomer]

I believe I was quite specific when I said "but you can't just pop it in and install it without major hacking involved". Yes, it has been done, and of course, the term "major hacking" would mean different things to different people. For some, it would be considered major hacking. For others, it would not be so difficult. But bottom line is it's not as simple as just popping it in and installing it like you would on a Mac.

 

[WoodPeckr]

how to build a Hackintosh Mac on the cheap using PC parts. Since that post, the OSx86 scene has changed rapidly, and now you can install Leopard on your computer about as easily as installing Leopard on a Mac-no command line hacking required. In addition, the resulting installation can-theoretically, at least-be upgraded without fear of breaking. As if the simplicity of the installation weren't already enough, the new installation tools fix any problems I've had in the past (for example, I no longer need to keep my install DVD in the drive to boot into OS X), and support the Wi-Fi card on my mother

WOW!
Things are really progressing even when it comes to doing a Hackintosh!
This don't look bad at all....

Thanks for the link, oldjones: Hackintosh: How To Install OS X on Your PC

Looks like you first, get a free copy of new Snow Leopard off the Newsgroups, then do a Hackintosh on your PC, and voilà.....for FREE.....just like Linux, you have Snow Leopard on your non-Mac PC!.....

 

[oldjones]

I believe I was quite specific when I said "but you can't just pop it in and install it without major hacking involved". Yes, it has been done, and of course, the term "major hacking" would mean different things to different people. For some, it would be considered major hacking. For others, it would not be so difficult. But bottom line is it's not as simple as just popping it in and installing it like you would on a Mac.

Sorry Goomer. I was wrong to think you were also quite specific in your preceding sentence when you said, "No, you cannot install Mac OSX OS on a non-Apple computer…." My mistake to suggest you said it could be done and that it couldn't be done. I now realize you were explaining that the salesman who said it could was right, though perhaps guilty of oversimplifying.

 

[danibbler]

Well there are those that think they have to have M$ Office and refuse to use any other.
Then there's is M$ Streets & Trips with GPS Locator, that turns your PC into a GPS.

Not to mention the M$ Games.

Doubt Apple can match any of them for free....

Wow, talk about ducking the question when I asked you to explain what you meant by "MORE". The only way to "debate" with you is to ride herd on you.

Pray tell, what did you mean by "MORE"?

 

[danibbler]

OK, tomorrow SN comes out. If I get a copy can I install it on my PC as a dual boot like a salesman told me a month ago at the Apple Store or was he wrong?

For a Linux fan, one wonders why you seem to hang around the Apple Stores so much?

 

[WoodPeckr]

Just curious about it that's all and want to see if I'm missing anything. Have always been a curious person. So far I don't feel I'm missing a thing. Way to pricey...
I'll stick with the good Ole reliable PC & free Linux....

The Store is conveniently located in the Mall.

 

[gia]

It IS a shame about this, PCs have their longstanding history, but you have to admit Apple was smart with their designer lifestyle marketing, desktop, and programmes such as all their i-stuff. I had ALMOST converted to an Apple when i bought my new laptop 3 months ago, however the cost stopped me. For the same power and speed you are paying you can get a PC for half the price, but if you purchase the Apple you are paying fo the designer lifestyle convieniance on yout laptop, plus they do have great portable sizes.

Interesting about HP, as this is what i bought, and recently HP have come out with a new marketing campaign of "bring back the personalised computer" or something along those lines, with cool illustrative designs and gorgeous surfaces on their laptops. I did end up getting an HP over the Apple in the end, and it was the shell that attracted me to even view it, let a one buy it. Definitely at the very least, adding the designer touch attracts the chicks! The laptop is such an accessory for so many now. My Hp has served me well too thus far.

 

[WoodPeckr]

Well said gia, and welcome to the board....

Of course the Mac Fanboys will dispute everything you say ....lol.
That stuff must just come from them when you join the Apple Cult....LOL!

 

[djk]

That's a different issue.
Many Apple addicts claim PCs don't last as long as a Mac. This myth was debunked on another thread here on TERB where some PC users said they still use some PCs that are 20 years old. Fact is there are many PC and Mac users who know little about what makes a computer work. Windows needs proper PM or it bogs down getting slower and slower as junk accumulates. Many never do their proper PM, them ask a salesman why it's running slow and are told they need a new PC because it's just getting old. When routine PM or a reformat will make their PC run like new again. Many salesmen, wanting a sale, won't tell customers this and just sell them a new PC.

Have heard Mac salesmen do the same, saying "well it's a crappy PC and that's what they all do", hoping to sell them a Mac.

Salespeople trying to sell you something? To quote Casablanca - "I'm shocked, shocked to see gambling going on in this establishment!"

Again, good to see you made my point for me. I've really never had to do any proper maintenance on my Mac besides system updates and it runs smooth as silk.

 

[WoodPeckr]

Again, good to see you made my point for me. I've really never had to do any proper maintenance on my Mac besides system updates and it runs smooth as silk.

Same applies with Linux.
With Linux, no PM is necessary!
It's Windows that requires routine PM to clear the crap out that accumulates through normal use, slowing everything down.

 

[danibbler]

Wow, talk about ducking the question when I asked you to explain what you meant by "MORE". The only way to "debate" with you is to ride herd on you.

Pray tell, what did you mean by "MORE"?

We're still waiting...

 

[danibbler]

Of course the Mac Fanboys will dispute everything you say ....lol.

Of course we have to dispute what YOU say, otherwise, people here would get the impression that you have to PAY for courses at the Apple Store and that Mac users do not have the same access to FREE programs as Linux users do.

It's one thing to debate, it's another to do so when the other party is relying on erroneous or false information to try to make their point.

 

[WoodPeckr]

We're still waiting...

LOL!
You must have missed it.
When you want more apps for your Mac, above and beyond what comes pre-installed, you go to the Apple Store and take your pick amongst the several racks of extra 'very pricey' software available and purchase it.

For Linux, you simply peruse though the several repositories for any extra apps you desire and when you come across an app, or several, that tickles your fancy, you simply download & install it for FREE!....