Alberta and Separation

Butler1000

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They have about 15% according to polling. It took 120 day to get those 300000 signatures. A second one with over 450000 denouncing it took 90 days.

It if course has to be fought. Tooth and nail. To cause such a big defeat to put this to rest. But realistic chance of winning in the present political climate is pretty much zero.
 
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xmontrealer

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Seems a bit complicated to me...

copied and pasted from CTV news

What would happen if Alberta voted to separate from Canada?
By
Timm Bruch
Published: May 06, 2025 at 6:28PM EDT

A separation referendum could be in the cards for next year, but a vote would be just the beginning of a drawn-out political and legal battle
As the threat of a separation referendum hangs over the province, Indigenous groups and constitutional experts are scoffing at the idea of Alberta actually leaving Canada.

There’s the possibility a 2026 vote could be in the cards — but even an unlikely “yes” at the ballot box wouldn’t trigger an exit. In fact, it would be just the beginning of a drawn-out political and legal battle.

That battle starts and ends with Indigenous groups in the province.

Treaty Chiefs held an emergency meeting on the subject Tuesday.

“This is treaty country, and any talk of separation is insanity,” Chief Troy Bossman Knowlton of the Piikani Nation said. “You can have all the referendums you want.”

More than 20 leaders stood united behind the notion — even threatening to stop any development and exploration on their lands until their voices are heard.

Knowlton’s message to Premier Danielle Smith? Stop flirting with the idea.

“We are not going anywhere, and if you feel that you have problems with First Nations, you could leave,” he said.

Chief concerns will need to be heard in any separation conversation. That’s because the entire province is made up of treaty territory or national parks.

The logistics of Quebec’s possible separation took decades to finalize, and since then, Canada has further acknowledged Indigenous people have the right to self-determination through the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act (UNDRIP).

“The treaties are binding legal promises between the Crown and Indigenous peoples, and so in order to get the consent from Indigenous peoples, they would have to agree to walk away from that relationship,” University of Calgary Law Professor Kathleen Mahoney said.

“It’s really, really complicated and it’s really not within the realm of possibility.”

And Mahoney points out that’s a conversation that can’t happen until the House of Commons has a say — and until at least two-thirds of the other provinces get on board, representing 50 per cent of the population.

“So those next steps probably involve some sort of dramatic constitutional change: either Alberta becoming a fully separate country or some new form of association,” University of Alberta Professor and constitutional expert Eric Adams said.

“There will be a long list of things that need to be negotiated, and as soon as you create that list, there would be another 50 things on it.”

Even if everything goes right for Alberta separatists and a vote is held and a constitutional amendment is granted, the process would take years.

And if a separating province can’t get recognition through Canada, it would need to get it through the international arena.

Considering other democratic countries are Canadian allies, Adams says it would get complicated quickly.

“The actual destination of Alberta’s new constitutional roles within North America, with its relationship with candidates and the United States … all of those things would have to be determined through long, slow, painful political negotiations.”

That’s not to mention court challenges over Alberta’s share of the national debt, currency, pensions, policing and new trade relationships, to mention a few.

The premier says she’ll respect treaty rights but won’t yet speculate on the feasibility of the entire venture.

“I don’t have answers to those questions, because until we see an actual active question and an active petition campaign, it really is just hypothetical,” Smith said.

“I guess I have to wait and see what kind of question comes forward from citizens.”
 

seanzo

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Say what you will about the PQ in Quebec, but they have been able to form majority governments in Quebec throughout the years as separatist sentiments have ebbed and flowed. What has been the best showing for the Wild Rose in Alberta? Have they ever broken 35% in any given election? The fate of this referendum was foretold when when the Wild Rose and the Alberta Progressive Conservatives had to arrange the political equivalent of a shotgun marriage to prevent the NDP from forming another government. I'd be absolutely shocked if this referendum hits 40% in favour of separation
 

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lomotil

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Oblivion
Trump, the MAGAs and the Maple MAGAs will pervert the referendum vote result to suit themselves.
Smith is working with Trump against Carney and she purposely reduced the number of votes to trigger a referendum.
Trump could send in US Armed Forces to support a Sovereign Alberta if he could get away with twisting the election result.
 

Catwhiskers

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Trump, the MAGAs and the Maple MAGAs will pervert the referendum vote result to suit themselves.
Smith is working with Trump against Carney and she purposely reduced the number of votes to trigger a referendum.
Trump could send in US Armed Forces to support a Sovereign Alberta if he could get away with twisting the election result.
Have you thought about getting the metal plate in your head removed?
 

JohnLarue

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Good thing is…it’ll take 12 hours less to drive from Regina to Vancouver!!

if Alberta seperates, Saskatchewan will follow
B.C. will smoke buds for 18 months and then figure out it has been isolated
 

Frankfooter

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if Alberta seperates, Saskatchewan will follow
B.C. will smoke buds for 18 months and then figure out it has been isolated
Once alberta is reminded that if they separate they lose their passports and pensions the movement will die.
again
 

DesRicardo

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Is anyone actually worried about this? They have enough signatures to trigger a vote on this, possibly in October.

Alberta separatists have submitted enough signatures to force independence vote | Fox News
It's nothing but leverage.

Carney is trying to indirectly kill a pipeline deal, So strings are being pulled to put pressure on him.

There is no point delaying a pipeline, there is no other option to make money.

Smith is one evil bitch. I'd hate to be married to a woman like that.
 

nottyboi

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The Separatists stole the voter database and made it public violating the privacy of every Albertan. Yet somehow, some people support these criminals and Agent Smith (well described as a Policy Magpie By Andrew Coyne) has not issued any firm denunciations.
 
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