6 People shot, Possibly 2 dead
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I blame one place along that strip, three shootings in the same area, I say its time we start looking at that Greenwood Centre for youth just up the street from there, all its is a hang out place for hoodlums to panhandle and yell at each other and swear non stop, there has been no less than 8 stores that ope beside it because they all close cause no one dares go in there cause there's always a mob of 50 cent wannabes hanging out in front being obnoxious, guarntee you most of thhese incidents stem from this place.
All you need to look at are the stats for any country or state that have capital punishment. Take a look at the crime census per annum and look at those sitting on death row. I'm not positive but I think it will show that capital punishment may deter some, but will egg on others. Capital punishment as a whole does little to stem the tide of violent crimes.CuteCob said:
There is one advantage to capital punishment. The idiot who killed somebody will never kill again once the sentence is carried out. Just because a killer is locked up doesn't mean they can't kill again. They can kill other inmates & guards. Since Canada's criminal justice system is so lax they will probably be released at some time back into the public. The Recidivation rate for ex cons is very high for other crimes why should I believe that murder would be any different. The safest thing for the population would be to execute the scumbag.
Here's what our spineless mayor had to say today....
"Guns come from two places, about half of them come from the United States and about half are stolen from legal gun owners in and around Toronto which is why I support a ban on handgun ownership," Miller said.
http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20051228/toronto_shooting_update_051228
As always, Miller has his head up his ass on this issue. Blaming the USA, blaming hand guns. Blaming anything or anyone other than the poor misguided youth who pulled the trigger.
"Guns come from two places, about half of them come from the United States and about half are stolen from legal gun owners in and around Toronto which is why I support a ban on handgun ownership," Miller said.
http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20051228/toronto_shooting_update_051228
As always, Miller has his head up his ass on this issue. Blaming the USA, blaming hand guns. Blaming anything or anyone other than the poor misguided youth who pulled the trigger.
here we have another man who lacks basic comprehension.rogerstaubach said:
Show me where you saw me blame OTHERS and I am waiting. I am sure that if you took the time to re-read the post you will see I am attacking the notion that hip hop has anything to do with people being violent. I am asking the poster if hip hop was around to make others violent back in the 'old days'. How did you PICK blaming others for black violence out of that??? My point was violence has been around since the beginning of time and to blame it on hip hop is LUDICROUS.
Geeez, did you attend school in August?
I figure its just that you have had a hard on for me ever since I exposed your intellectual frailty.
You are a common example of a black man who is jealous of another JUST because he gets tail YOU WISH you could get. Thats one of the main reasons for this type of nonsensical violence. Its attitudes like yours. These bums are just YOU with gun acting on their petty jealousies and wanting to be like or better than the other. Stop hounding me. I live my life and you live yours.
Listen, I have no sympathy for those who see the need to take another's life and I dont have patience for guys who have nothing better to do with their lives than to hound another man for no reason, making up stuff about him in the process. I now regret not praying for you over the holidays so that the Lord could bless you with the ability to comfortable in your own skin and not be jealous of others.
Well in complete honesty, I think it's the magnitude and the scope of it (hip hop - a partial factor).franky66 said:
Back in the "old days" I don't think it was so much influence from TV or movies - ie - Al Capone era (a bit far and a stretch, but an example nonetheless).
In days like that, it was more circumstance. You honestly think gangsters back then, watched a music video, filled with crap about guns, women and cars, then consciously went out and killed people for those reasons? (tv was just starting around back then, and the reasons weren't because of any media influence...they were self-fulfilling)
Same goes for Gotti, you really don't think he was doing it because of media influence do you?
What did these punks on Monday do it for? On a busiest shopping day of the year, out in the open.
Talk about a methodical plan (even then they're geniuses! for doing it at such a time
)As for Arnold movies (and others of the same sort), back in the 80's, I don't think the gun violence was as bad (was it you who brought up "Ahnold" as the example?). It was fiction based, it wasn't standing in front of a mansion, preaching about life with 2 hot hoochie momma girls on either side of you, and huge bling-bling swinging on your neck. It was entertainment.
You also have to look at the ages of these kids now. Say worst case scenario, they're all 18, pushing 19. That leaves them the past 5 years in which they are starting to really soak up stuff they see, hear (and read, if they're doing that at all). They are making their own decisions (a lot of them stupid ones). They are growing up in a time where the media is pushing shit like hip-hop (the 50cent kind...personally I love Mase's stuff from back in 97/98, which he didn't go around touting guns).
I personally believe it got started just in the past few years and with the advent of the internet, where the ball really got rolling say, 6 years ago.
What these tweens/teens are being is exposed to a lot of crap, with some good stuff. They make the decision and the choice in what to watch and what they find appealing. In turn, believing what they want.
Funny thought:
The NRA in the US says: if you make gun ownership criminal, then only criminals would have guns...IMHO this would be GREAT, makes it so easy for the cops: Shoot and kill anyone with a gun EOS.
On a more serious note:
I was watching the news last night and some youth nutbar was on saying that it was due to poverty etc that causes young ppl (hell, I WONT say young BLACK ppl) to do stuff like this.
That is SO fucking funny as the shooters were driving a BM fucking W! Yeah, they are SO poor, hell, I bet they have trouble paying the insurance on the Beemer....
The NRA in the US says: if you make gun ownership criminal, then only criminals would have guns...IMHO this would be GREAT, makes it so easy for the cops: Shoot and kill anyone with a gun EOS.
On a more serious note:
I was watching the news last night and some youth nutbar was on saying that it was due to poverty etc that causes young ppl (hell, I WONT say young BLACK ppl) to do stuff like this.
That is SO fucking funny as the shooters were driving a BM fucking W! Yeah, they are SO poor, hell, I bet they have trouble paying the insurance on the Beemer....
The guy was very possibly poor before.
Selling crack though is very profitable.
(as long as you don't smoke your own product)
Selling crack though is very profitable.
(as long as you don't smoke your own product)
These shootings aren't done with legally registered handguns. I think a special task force needs to be put together to take down the illegal arms dealers/runners.
As for social programs well I think they could help but y'know I grew up disadvantaged, from a sometimes violently disfunctional home and I never commited violence against another or anything so...
As for social programs well I think they could help but y'know I grew up disadvantaged, from a sometimes violently disfunctional home and I never commited violence against another or anything so...
Substance abuse is considered an action. There are many cases where substance abuse led to acts of violence, sexual assault, vehicular manslaughter and the spread of known fatal diseases.souljax33 said:
Giving out free needles won't stop the spread of HIV. Most drug addicts won't be walking into a publicly funded facility where they hand out needles. Some yes, but not most. Most certainly not the type who are prone to share needles in the first place.
You talk about prohibition being bad, then lets hear an intelligent arguement for lacidaisical laws on controlled substances.
Why should I as a taxpayer have to pay for needles for a fucking junky when my own father who is a type A diabetic has to pay for his? Tell me why these addicts should be given stuff for free because they are weak and can't control themselves? Addiction is a hard thing and I know about addiction first hand. When I was hooked on coke, I wouldn't have walked into a publicly funded building to have a safe coke session.
more later.. work for now.
Okay to continue.
Prohibition taught us only one thing. Generally people like to consume alcohol. It is easy to control but on the flip side it is also easy to lose control. It's a fine line but one that has been hurdled and now accepted.
I for one don't think coke, heroin and speed/meth fall into the category of acceptable substances. If you think so, then you are delusional. If you think crime will be wiped out because they set up free drug clinics for addicts, then you are equally delusional.
These gangs dont' just operate on drug money. They operate on fear, extortion and anything that is outlawed, to a certain extent. Legalize dope, fine, they'll skip a beat but catch it on the flip side with other things. The point is, criminals are damn smart and they will find other things to be fighting over. The key isn't legalizing what these gangs are proliferating on. It's fighting this gangs.
More later, more work now.
Prohibition taught us only one thing. Generally people like to consume alcohol. It is easy to control but on the flip side it is also easy to lose control. It's a fine line but one that has been hurdled and now accepted.
I for one don't think coke, heroin and speed/meth fall into the category of acceptable substances. If you think so, then you are delusional. If you think crime will be wiped out because they set up free drug clinics for addicts, then you are equally delusional.
These gangs dont' just operate on drug money. They operate on fear, extortion and anything that is outlawed, to a certain extent. Legalize dope, fine, they'll skip a beat but catch it on the flip side with other things. The point is, criminals are damn smart and they will find other things to be fighting over. The key isn't legalizing what these gangs are proliferating on. It's fighting this gangs.
More later, more work now.
One things for sure, this is the 3rd shooting at Yonge & Dundas this year and I wont be driving nor walking anywhere near that area again.
With my luck the OK corral shootout will break out just as I pass through there.
I'll find another place to shop, thank you very much
With my luck the OK corral shootout will break out just as I pass through there.
I'll find another place to shop, thank you very much
They've released the identity of the 15 year old victim who died:
http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20051228-007/page.asp
Extremists and supremecists are definitely gonna use this.
It so unfortunate and sad though. 15 years old. Damn those punks.
http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20051228-007/page.asp
Extremists and supremecists are definitely gonna use this.
It so unfortunate and sad though. 15 years old. Damn those punks.
