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700 cases reported today, highest ever for Ontario this year, period. :(

Ford and team are speaking of 'Second Wave is here' in their 1pm broadcast today, no longer 'Second Wave is coming'.

 

Phil C. McNasty

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As usual you have no idea what you are talking about in Sweden. as the cases in Sweden are on the rise.


"Sweden, where a shutdown-free pandemic response prompted a global debate, is seeing another wave of covid-19 cases, with the country’s state epidemiologist warning this week that it was heading in the “wrong direction” as winter approaches."
Reading comprehension fail!
I didnt say daily new infections, I said daily deaths are very few and have basically stagnated.
I trust you know how to read a chart??

 
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Reading comprehension fail!
I didnt say daily new infections, I said daily deaths are very few and have basically stagnated.
I trust you know how to read a chart??

Talk about reading comprehension fails!
You read the first 3 lines and skipped the rest of the post missing the 3 charts of deaths I had posted from the other 3 countries showing they have always had lower number of deaths.
Here they are once again I highlighted it for you so you can see and read it, understanding it is on you.


And for their Nordic bordering neigbours Denmark, Norway, Finland the numbers of deaths seen by Sweden was never seen by them individually or combined together.

Notice those 3 countries number of deaths has always been significantly lower than Sweden, they have seen 5 deaths or lower and on quite a few days 0 deaths consistently since April and Sweden as you can see by your own chart was well over 50 until mid May and 25 until July only to have the numbers of deaths reduced to still a higher number than those countries since only the end of July.
But you would have to comprehend why the numbers of deaths worldwide has significantly been lowered per capita in countries that originally saw the exposure to the Coronavirus very early on and I do not have the time or the patience to make someone like you understand this.



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I also highly recommend you go and understand the lack of testing in Sweden compared to those 3 Nordic bordering neighbours perhaps ask your FB Swedish friend. Which also confirms the rate of transmission in Sweden is higher than those 3 countries currently.
It truly is amazing the "Stable Genius" crowd is still attempting to talk about Sweden and promote it's full failure as a success. Truly amazing.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Talk about reading comprehension fails!
You read the first 3 lines and skipped the rest of the post missing the 3 charts of deaths I had posted from the other 3 countries showing they have always had lower number of deaths.
Here they are once again I highlighted it for you so you can see and read it, understanding it is on you.
I have never disputed that Sweden has a much higher death rate than their neighbours.
So why do you keep bringing that up??

The question now becomes did Sweden get their coronavirus epidemic over with quickly, and have now established herd immunity??
From the way their current daily death rate looks right now, they probably have.
Like another poster said, its way too early for you guys to call Sweden a failure because we dont know how long this pandemic will last.

Also, at the end of the year I am going to see if their annual death rate of 91,000 has increased.
If it hasnt then the old people who died from Covid would've died from old age anyways.
See stats: https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/
 

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I have never disputed that Sweden has a much higher death rate than their neighbours.
So why do you keep bringing that up??

The question now becomes did Sweden get their coronavirus epidemic over with quickly, and have now established herd immunity??
From the way their current daily death rate looks right now, they probably have.
Like another poster said, its way too early for you guys to call Sweden a failure because we dont know how long this pandemic will last.

Also, at the end of the year I am going to see if their annual death rate of 91,000 has increased.
If it hasnt then the old people who died from Covid would've died from old age anyways.
See stats: https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/
Again comprehension fail!
You keep reading 3 lines and ignoring the rest of the post amazing level of comprehension.
Here is the post again and I highlighted and boldened the more important parts for you:

"Notice those 3 countries Denmark, Norway, Finland's number of deaths has always been significantly lower than Sweden, they have seen 5 deaths or lower and on quite a few days 0 deaths consistently since April and Sweden as you can see by your own chart was well over 50 until mid May and 25 until July only to have the numbers of deaths reduced to still a higher number than those countries since only the end of July.
But you would have to comprehend why the numbers of deaths worldwide has significantly been lowered per capita in countries that originally saw the exposure to the Coronavirus very early on and I do not have the time or the patience to make someone like you understand this.


Now on to your amazing assessment that the number of deaths in Sweden is lower so they have somehow managed to get the pandemic over with quickly you need to understand these important facts.

1. The numbers of deaths worldwide in countries that saw exposure to the virus early on has all come down significantly, for example since early July Canada's death numbers is even lower than Sweden when adjusted for population (Deaths/Mln).


2. The number of cases is what determines whether the pandemic is been managed properly

Now on to your next "Stable Genius" assessment that their current daily death rate has any bearing on reaching herd immunity. I really can't believe I have to answer this for you but here it is.
Deaths have absolutely no relevance to reaching herd immunity.
Number of cases or more importantly the percentageof the population who has had the virus are what determines is any country has reached herd immunity. Sweden is nowhere near herd immunity either by their own government's studies they are just around 10%, and for this virus herd immunity is reached at roughly 2/3 meaning roughly 66%.

Not that I have any faith in you understanding any of the above.
 

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Again comprehension fail!
You keep reading 3 lines and ignoring the rest of the post amazing level of comprehension.
Here is the post again and I highlighted and boldened the more important parts for you:

"Notice those 3 countries Denmark, Norway, Finland's number of deaths has always been significantly lower than Sweden, they have seen 5 deaths or lower and on quite a few days 0 deaths consistently since April and Sweden as you can see by your own chart was well over 50 until mid May and 25 until July only to have the numbers of deaths reduced to still a higher number than those countries since only the end of July.
But you would have to comprehend why the numbers of deaths worldwide has significantly been lowered per capita in countries that originally saw the exposure to the Coronavirus very early on and I do not have the time or the patience to make someone like you understand this.


Now on to your amazing assessment that the number of deaths in Sweden is lower so they have somehow managed to get the pandemic over with quickly you need to understand these important facts.

1. The numbers of deaths worldwide in countries that saw exposure to the virus early on has all come down significantly, for example since early July Canada's death numbers is even lower than Sweden when adjusted for population (Deaths/Mln).


2. The number of cases is what determines whether the pandemic is been managed properly

Now on to your next "Stable Genius" assessment that their current daily death rate has any bearing on reaching herd immunity. I really can't believe I have to answer this for you but here it is.
Deaths have absolutely no relevance to reaching herd immunity.
Number of cases or more importantly the percentageof the population who has had the virus are what determines is any country has reached herd immunity. Sweden is nowhere near herd immunity either by their own government's studies they are just around 10%, and for this virus herd immunity is reached at roughly 2/3 meaning roughly 66%.

Not that I have any faith in you understanding any of the above.
LOL...I understand it perfectly, you are trying to claim victory while we're only in the 1st inning of a 9-inning pandemic game.

And now even a Danish scientists thinks Sweden may have hit herd immunity: https://www.thelocal.com/20200919/swedens-pandemic-may-be-finished-danish-researcher
 
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LOL...I understand it perfectly, you are trying to claim victory while we're only in the 1st inning of a 9-inning pandemic game.

And now even a Danish scientists thinks Sweden may have hit herd immunity: https://www.thelocal.com/20200919/swedens-pandemic-may-be-finished-danish-researcher
LOL no you don't.....You guys spreading this nonsense propaganda need to get your innings right.
Many of you posted that May was already the 3rd inning.......then that changed and July became the 3rd inning again......now in September all of a sudden we are back to the 1st inning because the numbers aren't going your way. You guys should really have a team meeting and get these important timelines right. It's an ass backwards game you're playing. :ROFLMAO:

But here is some information for you that hasn't changed all along about Sweden.
Sweden's policy has always been a failure, it was a failure in March and has been all the way through, it's been a failure because of the actions they have taken and will continue to be so, specially when compared to it's Nordic bordering neighours with whom they share so many similarities. BTW as I posted before the Swede's over 6 months into the pandemic still haven't fixed their lack of testing issues.
The actions in response to the Coronavirus that the Swedes took are a direct result of numerous unnecessary deaths that could have been avoided had they taken the proper measures.

Here is to hoping you've understood that the numbers of deaths have no relevance on herd immunity.
Here is to hoping you've also understood why the numbers of deaths and per capita has been significantly lowered in the last few months in countries that saw exposure to the virus early on.
And here is to really hoping you understand that the pandemic is nowhere near over when Sweden has still a significat number of cases on any given day.
 
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700 cases reported today, highest ever for Ontario this year, period. :(
Fucking hilarious actually

Back in April noone had heard of covid and noone was wearing a mask
Somehow today with everyone being paranoid, socially distancing and wearing a mask we get these results

Pretty much proves the covidiots are clueless when it comes to things like wearing masks
 
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I watched Dr. David Williams press conference today.

He said:

- There was a backlog of reported cases, which is why the number is so high today.
- the positive cases were 1.5% of tests
- in March when it was much harder to get a test (Wuhan or travel criteria) that the rate was as high as 8.5%
- Hospitalizations are not alarming at this point.

This is undeniable fear porn.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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LOL no you don't.....You guys spreading this nonsense propaganda need to get your innings right.
Many of you posted that May was already the 3rd inning.......then that changed and July became the 3rd inning again......now in September all of a sudden we are back to the 1st inning because the numbers aren't going your way. You guys should really have a team meeting and get these important timelines right. It's an ass backwards game you're playing
When did I ever say May was the 3rd inning?? Please post my exact quote, I'll be waiting


Here is to hoping you've understood that the numbers of deaths have no relevance on herd immunity.
Here is to hoping you've also understood why the numbers of deaths and per capita has been significantly lowered in the last few months in countries that saw exposure to the virus early on.
And here is to really hoping you understand that the pandemic is nowhere near over when Sweden has still a significat number of cases on any given day.
And here's to hoping that you understand a growing number of scientists think Sweden may already have herd immunity, and that some other EU countries are thinking of adopting the same strategy:

https://www.thenational.ae/world/eu...nity-model-gains-momentum-in-europe-1.1082393

Sweden's 'herd immunity' model gains momentum in Europe

Some disease experts are now hailing the tactics adopted by Sweden to combat Covid-19

Sweden’s controversial ‘herd immunity’ strategy to combat Covid-19 is beginning to gain traction elsewhere in Europe.
Since the onset of the pandemic, the Swedish government has averted any lockdowns and instead used campaigns to emphasise personal responsibility to socially distance and keep good hygiene. It also recommended the most vulnerable people to attempt to ‘shield’ from the virus.

Sweden’s death rate is high compared with its Scandinavian neighbours.

According to the European Center for Disease Control, as of September 20, Sweden had reported 30.3 new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 inhabitants in the previous 14 days, compared with 292.2 in Spain, 172.1 in France, 61.8 in the U.K. and 69.2 in Denmark, all of which imposed strict lockdowns early in the pandemic.

Overall, Sweden has 88,237 reported infections and 5,864 fatalities from the virus, or 57.5 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants since the beginning of the crisis.

Sweden’s chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell has blamed the country’s high death toll on its success in dealing with the winter flu outbreak. Overall, it has recorded more than 89,000 infections and 5,876 deaths from coronavirus.

Both infection and death rates have dramatically fallen over recent months. For the past seven days, Sweden’s daily average of new cases is 297, compared with thousands in other European countries such as Britain, France and Spain. Its average number of deaths for the past week is one a day.

The herd immunity theory says that if at least 60 per cent of a population contract the virus, the whole population develops immunity to it, slowing down its transmission.

The tactic was not a popular one, and Sweden was seen as something of an anomaly. Although other European countries, notably Britain and the Netherlands, flirted with using the herd immunity strategy, both ended up abandoning it because of pressure from health officials and the public.

Most of Europe’s other countries chose instead to enter into lockdown and in countries such as Britain, France and Spain, new Covid-19 cases are escalating while their economies are struggling.

Despite initial scepticism, Ireland is one of the nations exploring herd immunity. On Wednesday, Ireland’s Dáil’s Covid-19 committee was advised to let coronavirus be spread among people under 60 in a controlled way.

Sweden’s former chief epidemiologist Dr Johan Giesecke suggested Irish legislators allow the virus to spread through the population while the “old and frail” are shielded and care home staff and residents frequently tested.

The epidemiologist said that the Irish government should not build its strategy around the assumption that a vaccine would arrive quickly, adding that Sweden’s “soft lockdown” worked because the government trusted the public to adhere to the rules.

“We might have to wait for it and it may not be very effective in those who need it most,” Dr Giesecke said of a potential vaccine.

One leading scientist at the University of Oxford has said the latest UK restrictions suggested “a move towards Sweden”, as there is more focus on personal responsibility and acceptance that cases will rise.

Carl Heneghan, director of the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine at Oxford, claimed a “shift in policy” was emerging from the government.

“If you look at some of the policies, what you’re starting to see is a move towards Sweden,” he told the BBC. “When you look at bars and restaurants, that’s the policy there – they have table service.

“So what I’m hoping we now start to see is a more coherent, consistent policy … there will be an inevitable rise in cases as we go into winter. The key is not to panic. If we panic, we’ll talk ourselves into lockdown.”

However, many ministers still are quick to distance themselves from the controversial herd immunity approach.

British Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab on Wednesday denied that the UK government is shifting to an approach similar to Sweden’s.

“I don’t accept that characterisation,” Mr Raab said.

“We’ve just introduced a suite of changes. The one thing I would accept is that we as individuals have got some responsibility to comply – it’s not just what the government does that matters.”

The way Sweden’s strategy was viewed outside the country seems to depend largely on what stage of the pandemic the observer was experiencing at the time. Initially, many abroad were incredulous at images of Swedes dining with friends in restaurants or sipping cocktails on the Stockholm waterfront. Some were envious that Swedish businesses were not forced to close.

Then came shock as the virus ripped through the country’s nursing homes and hospices.

By mid-April, more than 100 deaths were reported each day in Sweden, while mortality rates were falling elsewhere in Europe.

A Swedish government commission investigating the handling of the pandemic will, undoubtedly, have hard questions to answer: Did authorities wait too long to limit access to nursing homes, where about half of the deaths occurred? Were they too slow to provide personal protective equipment to staff in those homes when shortcomings in the elderly care sector had long been known? Why did it take so long to set up wide-scale testing?

But in neighbouring Denmark, a leading virologist said there was growing evidence to suggest Sweden’s strategy had been successful.

“There is some evidence that the Swedes have built up a degree of immunity to the virus which, along with what else they are doing to stop the spread, is enough to control the disease,” Kim Sneppen, professor of biocomplexity at the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, told Denmark’s Politiken newspaper on Monday.

“That is what they have said. On the positive side, they may now be finished with the epidemic."
 
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Time to hand out the red noses and big floppy shoes, they have arrived.
These guys are as clueless as it gets.
Sweden's 7 day average has increased from 162 on September 1st to a whopping 422 as of yesterday September 8th.
Although it's still lower than what it was at it's peak in July it's on the rise just like the very high majority of countries cases are on the rise.
But yet the "Stable Genius" crowd are trying to argue that Sweden has dealt with the Coronavirus quickly and the pandemic is over in Sweden, and I quote:

"The question now becomes did Sweden get their coronavirus epidemic over with quickly, and have now established herd immunity??
From the way their current daily death rate looks right now, they probably have."


These guys don't even have the simplest amount of knowledge that herd immunity is based on the spread of the virus AKA cases and not the number of deaths. SMH
 

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2 of the deaths in Ottawa were in the 80-89 age category. They don’t make it easy to figure out who is where. I think the 3rd was 70-79.
 

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I'm saying the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. When you're destroying the entire economy you destroy lives.
Right now you lot are destroying the economy, which means you are destroying many more lives than just a couple of people dying of Covid
Even the Swedish health authorities would be disgusted by such an attitude, that it's ok to sacrifice the old & weak to C-19 death for the sake of averting the results of allegedly "destroying the entire economy" which allegedly "destroys lives". It reeks of the Hitlerian Nazi practices during WWII. As it has been said, a society's worth can be judged by how it treats its most weak & vulnerable citizens. The many millions of children killed by abortion is an example of society's soul going to hell.

Moreover, the "entire economy" isn't being destroyed. That's simply a lie.

Furthermore Sweden's soft lockdown resulted in far more deaths with a much smaller population than their 3 Nordic neighbours with no advantage economically. So that is evidence against your remark re the economy.

Additionally, if Sweden's soft lockdown method had been used in Canada from the beginning, hospitals may have been overwhelmed, many more infections & deaths would have occurred, leading to many more being on sick leave from work either temporarily, for months or forever (as in being dead) with the result that many businesses would have had to shutdown anyway.
 

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Fucking hilarious actually

Back in April noone had heard of covid and noone was wearing a mask
No one had heard of covid in April? Wrong.

Somehow today with everyone being paranoid, socially distancing and wearing a mask we get these results
You get these results from covidiots acting irresponsibly, kids going back to school, etc. With flu season approaching don't be surprised if cases continue to rise.

"Ontario could see 1,000 new daily cases of COVID-19 in first half of October, modelling suggests"




Pretty much proves the covidiots are clueless when it comes to things like wearing masks
Wrong again.
 

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2 deaths yesterday. Stop fear mongering idiots. This flu is a Liberal hoax. Nothing more. Carry on with your lives, no mask needed.
Only 2 deaths thanks to extreme safety measures (lockdowns, distancing, masks, etc) & 100's or 1000's a day in the future if people act irresponsibly. But some people have no foresight & can't see beyond the end of their noses or dickhead. Thankfully it's informed health authorities guidance that is being ordered & not the conspiracy nutjobs covidiocy.

Furthermore there's more than death to be concerned about:


 

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Even the Swedish health authorities would be disgusted by such an attitude, that it's ok to sacrifice the old & weak to C-19 death for the sake of averting the results of allegedly "destroying the entire economy" which allegedly "destroys lives". It reeks of the Hitlerian Nazi practices during WWII. As it has been said, a society's worth can be judged by how it treats its most weak & vulnerable citizens
Err, the man who came up with the herd immunity plan is being treated as a hero right now in Sweden: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12710...n-coronavirus-without-lockdown-national-hero/

And some EU countries are thinking of following suit: https://www.thenational.ae/world/eu...nity-model-gains-momentum-in-europe-1.1082393
 

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Err, the man who came up with the herd immunity plan is being treated as a hero right now in Sweden: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12710...n-coronavirus-without-lockdown-national-hero/

And some EU countries are thinking of following suit: https://www.thenational.ae/world/eu...nity-model-gains-momentum-in-europe-1.1082393
Not only is he not a hero but there is an inquiry into the country's handling of the Coronavirus.


Sweden launches inquiry into coronavirus handling

The Swedish government has appointed a commission to investigate the country’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic amid mounting criticism of its liberal approach and higher death rate compared with its Nordic neighbours.
Stefan Lofven, Sweden’s centre-left prime minister, launched the inquiry on Tuesday following pressure from opposition politicians. Public opinion has begun to turn against the country’s light-touch restrictions in recent weeks as its death toll climbed well beyond that of its neighbours and they in turn kept their borders with Sweden shut while opening up to visitors from elsewhere.
“The crisis has highlighted the shortcomings in our society,” Mr Lofven said. “We have thousands of dead. Now the question is how Sweden should change, not if.”

Sweden adopted a markedly different approach to the rest of Europe by maintaining as much economic and social activity as possible and relying on voluntary social distancing and homeworking rather than strict lockdown measures to contain the virus.

But by June 29 its death toll had reached 5,310, compared with 604 in Denmark, 328 in Finland and 249 in Norway. Its rolling seven-day average of new cases stands at more than 1,200 a day. Denmark’s is 32.
Has Sweden's coronavirus strategy failed? The commission of inquiry will be composed of medical experts, ethicists and economists and will be led by Mats Melin, a former president of Sweden’s supreme administrative court. The government had wanted it to include politicians although that proposal was dropped.
It will issue a first report later this year focusing on the spread of the virus in care homes, an interim study next year and a final full report in early 2022, before the next general election.

The inquiry will look at how central,regional and local authorities responded to the pandemic and how Swedes complied with voluntary social-distancing measures. It will examine how the country fared compared with other countries. Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s state epidemiologist who masterminded the country’s light-touch regime for controlling the virus, admitted this month in an interview with Sveriges Radio that too many people had died in Sweden. “If we would encounter the same disease, with exactly what we know about it today, I think we would land midway between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world did,” said Mr Tegnell.

France is one of the few other countries so far to launch an investigation into its handling of coronavirus. A parliamentary commission, which has powers to subpoena witnesses and obtain documents, is already taking evidence.
 
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