‘State of shock’: As Canada ramps up immigration, unsuspecting newcomers are running into inflation shock from soaring prices

[toguy5252]

I agree. And I'll add that we also want wealthy immigrants who are more
than willing to share their riches through hefty tax payments.

I cannot see you obviously but I suspect that if I could I would see your tongue planted firmly in your cheek.

 

[toguy5252]

There is more to the immigration decision than money and inflation. People come to canada for its quality of life and yes money and inflation are importnat for that. But there is also religious freedom, eductaional opportunities, access to medical care, comminity, the ability to succeed and move up the ladder etc. Canada has never had a problem attracting immigrants based upon among other things required skills and the ability to maintian oneselve and ones family upon arrival. There has been an immigrant investor programme for many years as well.

 

[jcpro]

It's a hard sell to convince a European to come here at a cheap price.

You can easily build a cheap living quarters for Mexican workers and offer a 6-month work permit. That's what our farms do.

But I understand what you really are trying to say.

There's no such thing as "cheap price" at my end because we're not talking about temporary or seasonal workers. The construction in the GTA is overwhelmingly well paying, union positions that will not even allow temporarylabor. With right international outreach, in the right places, the shortages in the Ontario's construction can be solved in 1-3 years.

 

[curr3n_c1000]

There's no such thing as "cheap price" at my end because we're not talking about temporary or seasonal workers. The construction in the GTA is overwhelmingly well paying, union positions that will not even allow temporarylabor. With right international outreach, in the right places, the shortages in the Ontario's construction can be solved in 1-3 years.

Hmmm...

union

OK, I see what the real issue is.

 

[jcpro]

Hmmm...




OK, I see what the real issue is.

Don't begrudge it to the construction guys(and gals). There have been huge changes in the last 25 years in the industry and most of them for the better, especially when it comes to wages, benefits, safety and overall treatment of employees. Besides, we don't want just a shipment of indentured workers, do we? It would suppress our wages and open up the industry to too much abuse. Nobody wants that.

 

[jalimon]

I can only comment on my little patch in construction. Almost none of the migrants Canada targets want to work in construction. Even though the pay scale is superior to most other jobs. We will need helluva amount of new infrastructure, but the workforce remains thin. One reason the labor costs are skyrocketing and with them the prices of the finished projects. Whatever people who want to work in construction do come here are being sucked out by Alberta where pay is greater, on average, but the cost of living is much lower than in the GTA. Ontario should target the Central and Eastern Europe for the skilled trades. Also due to rising wages, the tax issues need to be addressed because the way things are, taxes are destroying productivity.

I am not in construction but in my field we tried bringing east European (zchech, serbia, hungary, bulgary) workers but they all went back because quality of life was shit here compared to Europe.

Some went to live in portugal as we have an office base there. They absolutely love.

We, mostly me, have hired many philipino's. They are great. But quality of life is improving there. So they stay there.

 

[curr3n_c1000]

Don't begrudge it to the construction guys(and gals). There have been huge changes in the last 25 years in the industry and most of them for the better, especially when it comes to wages, benefits, safety and overall treatment of employees. Besides, we don't want just a shipment of indentured workers, do we? It would suppress our wages and open up the industry to too much abuse. Nobody wants that.

So what a minute. When other people want fair wages to survive you are against it calling it communist, socialism, unfair to business, stupid leftist policies etc.

But when you ask for a fair wage, it's for the betterment of everyone and we don't want to suppress or abuse people?

And who do you think works the farms here from spring to fall?

 

[jcpro]

I am not in construction but in my field we tried bringing east European (zchech, serbia, hungary, bulgary) workers but they all went back because quality of life was shit here compared to Europe.

Some went to live in portugal as we have an office base there. They absolutely love.

We, mostly me, have hired many philipino's. They are great. But quality of life is improving there. So they stay there.

I can see that because I agree that the quality of life is shit in GTA, if you're not a top earner. The only thing that can mitigate the affordability problem is higher wages and the trades/construction certainly offers that. I've seen people go back, but very few, usually they leave as soon as they have enough credits.

 

[jcpro]

So what a minute. When other people want fair wages to survive you are against it calling it communist, socialism, unfair to business, stupid leftist policies etc.

But when you ask for a fair wage, it's for the betterment of everyone and we don't want to suppress or abuse people?

And who do you think works the farms here from spring to fall?

I'm never against a fair shake for the working class. I'm myself been in the field all my life, mostly. But, the temporary workers, like the farm labour, get paid less. If you apply that model to construction, it will depress the domestic wages- and in return you're getting unskilled, non English speaking, temporary labour. I've seen enough of that down south- it's great for the principals, but it's a shitty deal for the domestic workers.

 

[Frankfooter]

When taxes keep workers at home, or worse, they use their days off to do cash gigs, I'd say there is a problem. Might not seem that way from your basement, but out here in the real world, it's actually a huge problem.

Don't blame the taxes, pay them enough.
Isn't that the right wing, free market way?
Supply and demand?

 

[curr3n_c1000]

I am not in construction but in my field we tried bringing east European (zchech, serbia, hungary, bulgary) workers but they all went back because quality of life was shit here compared to Europe.

Some went to live in portugal as we have an office base there. They absolutely love.

We, mostly me, have hired many philipino's. They are great. But quality of life is improving there. So they stay there.

Same here. Lost workers to Romania, England and Netherlands.

A few Indian workers sticking it out just for the citizenship.

 

[jcpro]

Don't blame the taxes, pay them enough.
Isn't that the right wing, free market way?
Supply and demand?

What's this have to do with politics? When your overtime gets eaten by the taxes, what's the point of doing overtime?

 

[jalimon]

I can see that because I agree that the quality of life is shit in GTA, if you're not a top earner. The only thing that can mitigate the affordability problem is higher wages and the trades/construction certainly offers that. I've seen people go back, but very few, usually they leave as soon as they have enough credits.

I'm now in the suburbs of Montreal and its exact same. My region recently added few hundreds of people from France, Algeria or Morocco. But it's all high paying job in the aerospace industry (mostly Airbus). Most of them have plans to return home. They talk often about it.

I pity the poor immigrants arriving in montreal and having to pay 1k for a ran down 1 bed room basement appartement

 

[curr3n_c1000]

 

[jcpro]

I'm now in the suburbs of Montreal and its exact same. My region recently added few hundreds of people from France, Algeria or Morocco. But it's all high paying job in the aerospace industry (mostly Airbus). Most of them have plans to return home. They talk often about it.

I pity the poor immigrants arriving in montreal and having to pay 1k for a ran down 1 bed room basement appartement

Try the GTA when 1k doesn't even give them that. It's disgusting as we're returning to the slum era.

 

[Frankfooter]

What's this have to do with politics? When your overtime gets eaten by the taxes, what's the point of doing overtime?

So why not pay more so people want to work for you and not worry about overtime?

 

[jcpro]

So why not pay more so people want to work for you and not worry about overtime?

Oy, vey! How much more should the industry pay? The laborers get $37/h, what's time and a half in overtime? Yet, they don't like working weekends. Why's that?

 

[curr3n_c1000]

I'm never against a fair shake for the working class. I'm myself been in the field all my life, mostly. But, the temporary workers, like the farm labour, get paid less. If you apply that model to construction, it will depress the domestic wages- and in return you're getting unskilled, non English speaking, temporary labour. I've seen enough of that down south- it's great for the principals, but it's a shitty deal for the domestic workers.

You sound like a leftist socialist.

Since you are such a supporter of capitalism, why not let the labour market decide what you should get paid? If you are that skilled and important, the market will pay you accordingly, no?

 

[Darts]

I know a few sons of Italian and Portuguese neighbours who went into the trades right after high school and are earning over $100,000 by age 23.
Skilled Trades College - Get The Skills to Pay The Bills ft. Scottie Barnes - Bing video

 

[jcpro]

You sound like a leftist socialist.

Since you are such a supporter of capitalism, why not let the labour market decide what you should get paid? If you are that skilled and important, the market will pay you accordingly, no?

The market IS deciding the wages. The collective negotiations are part of the capitalist economy and have been for centuries. Ever heard of guilds in Europe or the Hansiatic League? This is not leftism or socialism, it's just pooling resources to achieve leverage. It's pure capitalism.