‘State of shock’: As Canada ramps up immigration, unsuspecting newcomers are running into inflation shock from soaring prices

[toguy5252]

Definitely need a lot of immigrants...the problem is some of these immigrants coming in have knowledge how to play the system...

I agree with you. There will always be some number of people who know how to game any system but that does not mean you eliminate the system.

 

[jalimon]

Those people wont immigrate. For example someone who is a multi-millionaire in India/China/Phillipines etc has no incentive to come to Canada. Money buys more over there than it does here in Canada.

They used to. That's how Vancouver and also a lot of Toronto were built. It's back when buying a property gave you and family citizenship. Does that still exist? I think it's rightfully so heavily taxed now.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

Absolutely one of the stupidest stories ever. That 5% must be killing them. What do they do sit around and say that car that cost me 50k the last time I immigrated to Canada is now 52500

 

[krealtarron]

They used to. That's how Vancouver and also a lot of Toronto were built. It's back when buying a property gave you and family citizenship. Does that still exist? I think it's rightfully so heavily taxed now.

Not sure. I think most people come in through express entry. A lot of them are Trump refugees . People on H1B visas who see no hope for immigration in the US, just move to Canada and ask their companies to just transfer them to Canada and many are happy to do so because they just change their salaries from USD to CAD which is profitable for them. Still more are young professionals with families and they move to the GTA from countries like India, Phillipines etc., These people wont own anything for another 20 years being millennials and all. Not any different from Canadian millennials.

 

[toguy5252]

Not sure. I think most people come in through express entry. A lot of them are Trump refugees . People on H1B visas who see no hope for immigration in the US, just move to Canada and ask their companies to just transfer them to Canada and many are happy to do so because they just change their salaries from USD to CAD which is profitable for them. Still more are young professionals with families and they move to the GTA from countries like India, Phillipines etc., These people wont own anything for another 20 years being millennials and all. Not any different from Canadian millennials.

I do not believe that buying a property ever got ya visa or any status. Buying a business did but there were very strict rules. Canada even with it inflation is still a magnet for people wanting a better life and we need them.

 

[HotDogger]

How did you assume that all these men will be lining up to book SPs? White men are the majority demographic booking SPs. Many of these people have families and know the value of money, which they will most likely not waste on SPs.

Those people also immigrate because they are qualified, have education, and are likely to earn more than most Canadians.

The purpose of Canadian immigration is to allow young (and therefore poor, and also because we need the average age to come down), educated immigrants who are likely to get jobs, succeed and make a life here.

Also regarding their dressing sense etc., they will eventually learn to integrate.

I wasn't implying all THESE men lining up were interested in SP's. My point was that there appears to be more male immigrants than female immigrants in the GTA - I am using ServiceOntario as a random sample. (And it doesn't get more random than that!) And we all know males tend to book SP's at much much higher rate than females booking SP's. If there is going to be more male immigrants than female immigrants, odds are there will be more business for SP's. (And yes, I am assuming the SP's are female. )

 

[jalimon]

Not sure. I think most people come in through express entry. A lot of them are Trump refugees . People on H1B visas who see no hope for immigration in the US, just move to Canada and ask their companies to just transfer them to Canada and many are happy to do so because they just change their salaries from USD to CAD which is profitable for them. Still more are young professionals with families and they move to the GTA from countries like India, Phillipines etc., These people wont own anything for another 20 years being millennials and all. Not any different from Canadian millennials.

One thing I know is that province can be a big help. Quebec has many treaties with France which truly helps them immigrate here. That's why the Quartier Latin of Montreal is now unofficially called Quartier Francais I hope these frenchman are not the one protesting in the street of France right now because government want's to push their retirement from 60 to 62. Here in Quebec it's 65 and may very well be pushed to 67!

 

[HotDogger]

How did you assume that all these men will be lining up to book SPs? White men are the majority demographic booking SPs.

Don't be so sure. The demographic in the GTA is changing fast. Perhaps a SP could weigh in her about the current ethnic makeup of clients. And why are you bringing up White men here. (I find that offensive.) Never said what kind of accent I heard at ServiceOntario. Nor did I say what part of Brampton. There's over 600K people in Brampton. I am simply referring to male vs female ratios of immigrants. Don't be so touchy.

 

[HotDogger]

Remember this fellas: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/exotic-dancer-no-longer-eligible-job-for-foreign-workers-1.1151414. In the interests of preventing human trafficking, those "Smart People" in Ottawa decided to cut off our supply of Eastern European women coming her to earn an honest fuck. Uh, I mean buck! The young'ins won't remember these days. But the seasoned gents do. The strip clubs, SP's, and MPA's were epic. No, I mean EPIC!!

 

[Darts]

One thing I know is that province can be a big help. Quebec has many treaties with France which truly helps them immigrate here. That's why the Quartier Latin of Montreal is now unofficially called Quartier Francais I hope these frenchman are not the one protesting in the street of France right now because government want's to push their retirement from 60 to 62. Here in Quebec it's 65 and may very well be pushed to 67!

Interesting. When I was still living in Montreal the major source of immigrants to Quebec were from former French colonies (Haiti, Algeria, Vietnam, Morocco, etc.) and not from mother France.

 

[poker]

I can only comment on my little patch in construction. Almost none of the migrants Canada targets want to work in construction. Even though the pay scale is superior to most other jobs. We will need helluva amount of new infrastructure, but the workforce remains thin. One reason the labor costs are skyrocketing and with them the prices of the finished projects. Whatever people who want to work in construction do come here are being sucked out by Alberta where pay is greater, on average, but the cost of living is much lower than in the GTA. Ontario should target the Central and Eastern Europe for the skilled trades. Also due to rising wages, the tax issues need to be addressed because the way things are, taxes are destroying productivity.

Agreed.

 

[krealtarron]

Don't be so sure. The demographic in the GTA is changing fast. Perhaps a SP could weigh in her about the current ethnic makeup of clients. And why are you bringing up White men here. (I find that offensive.) Never said what kind of accent I heard at ServiceOntario. Nor did I say what part of Brampton. There's over 600K people in Brampton. I am simply referring to male vs female ratios of immigrants. Don't be so touchy.

You talked about thick accents and badly dressed immigrants and then proceeded to say "SPs must have fun!". And then you proceeded to say that it is offensive for me to say that the majoirty of clients are white. Seems to me there is more to what you said than what you are implying here.

 

[curr3n_c1000]

It's bad for the country because depressing wages = lower tax base and labor disruptions not to mention higher poverty rates and the plethora of social problems that come with that. And OBVIOUSLY it's bad for the workers.

But down here you are asking for a tax cut.

Also due to rising wages, the tax issues need to be addressed because the way things are, taxes are destroying productivity.

This is a lie, taxes are not the reason for declining productivity. It's the inflated wages from unions that limits spending on manpower.

If I can hire 2 people for $20/hr instead of 1 guy for $40/hr, why can't I?

You are destroying Canada.

 

[jcpro]

But down here you are asking for a tax cut.


This is a lie, taxes are not the reason for declining productivity. It's the inflated wages from unions that limits spending on manpower.

If I can hire 2 people for $20/hr instead of 1 guy for $40/hr, why can't I?

You are destroying Canada.

First of all I'm not asking for a tax cut, just a different tax structure that doesn't punish the high productivity workers. Second, the manpower requirements do not allow to substitute 1 for 2 because most of the trades are highly specialized. Thirdly, why would you advocate for driving the wages of the domestic workforce down in favor of transient, temporary, foreign labor? I think that you're confused.

 

[curr3n_c1000]

First of all I'm not asking for a tax cut, just a different tax structure that doesn't punish the high productivity workers.

Yeah, a tax cut. You want a tax break.

You want to be more productive and pay more taxes? I don't think so.

Second, the manpower requirements do not allow to substitute 1 for 2 because most of the trades are highly specialized. Thirdly, why would you advocate for driving the wages of the domestic workforce down in favor of transient, temporary, foreign labor? I think that you're confused.

You can have one overseer while everyone else does the grunt work. And how do you know that they won't be highly specialized too?

If we have a shortage of workers, why not use foreign labour that can do it for less? and will go back home after it's done?

Neither one of us are confused. You know what it is.

 

[jcpro]

Yeah, a tax cut. You want a tax break.

You want to be more productive and pay more taxes? I don't think so.


You can have one overseer while everyone else does the grunt work. And how do you know that they won't be highly specialized too?

If we have a shortage of workers, why not use foreign labour that can do it for less? and will go back home after it's done?

Neither one of us are confused. You know what it is.

I don't know what's the answer to the overtime problem, but the current tax scheme hurts the workers and hurts the CRA and the country. As for the rest, you haven't been on the construction site, have you? Each job requires specific skilled workers with specific skills and tickets. You cannot just swipe bodies because, if you do that, you lose the control of the greatest expense- labor costs. Getting a body on site is easy. Getting one that wants to be there is bit harder, and one with the necessary skills and experience is very hard. And if you want to keep them you'd better pay because they'll not even show up for $20/h.

 

[Darts]

Older immigrants are fine if they have or can produce young children who can quickly adapt to Canada.

For example, the young woman who scored highest in the Ontario high school graduating class a few years gave all the credit to her immigrant father who drove a cab 24/7 to support his family.

I predict the top 20 students in this year's Ontario graduating class will be 15 Asians, 3 Jews and 2 others.

 

[curr3n_c1000]

I don't know what's the answer to the overtime problem, but the current tax scheme hurts the workers and hurts the CRA and the country. As for the rest, you haven't been on the construction site, have you? Each job requires specific skilled workers with specific skills and tickets. You cannot just swipe bodies because, if you do that, you lose the control of the greatest expense- labor costs. Getting a body on site is easy. Getting one that wants to be there is bit harder, and one with the necessary skills and experience is very hard. And if you want to keep them you'd better pay because they'll not even show up for $20/h.

Trust me. Bring in Carlos and Manuel.

What you do in 1 week, they do in 2 days. Just give them a sandwich and a corona.

 

[NotADcotor]

I can only comment on my little patch in construction. Almost none of the migrants Canada targets want to work in construction.

I bet if they set up schools in the Punjab for construction trades and English with an offer of a path to Canadian citizenship, you would have your pick. Plenty of farm boys there who are used to labour who would give up their left nut to come to Canada.

Likewise we can have all the nurses we want by going to the Philippines.

 

[basketcase]

Definitely need a lot of immigrants...the problem is some of these immigrants coming in have knowledge how to play the system...

Plenty of Canadian born people know how to play the system too. Doesn't mean we should remove services like free health care.