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MAGDA- Make America Great Depression Again

WyattEarp

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Preach brother!
Yikes!

A whole lot of people voted for Trump because inflation fucked the Dems and the whole Biden-Harris switcheroo was a clusterfuck.
This compounded the Dems less popular policies.

That's the thing in the U.S. two party system. Generally, it requires one party to convince voters that the substance of their brand is good for them.
Dwelling on why the other brand is bad for you is great for the base but doesn't necessarily lead to political success.
 
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WyattEarp

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True. But Trump owned his casinos during a time when the only real competition on the east coast was the mob and a few Indian casinos. From what all the experts say about his failures, the properties carried too much debt (he leveraged the shit out of them to make them fancy...) and very badly managed. I can sort of forgive the first part, because I get the idea that to compete with Vegas, you might need to make the place extravagant and a destination. But, like many of Trump's businesses, they were very poorly managed. Which brings into question Trump's declaration that he's a smart businessman or a great deal maker. Yes, he has a ghostwritten book called the Art of the Deal...but the writer says Trump didn't really contribute much except for some "deal" principles that he needed to flesh out to make any sense...

And, even ignoring the casino's, he has a MASSIVE string of failed business ventures, from Trump Steaks and Trump Shuttle to Trump Mortgage and Trump University (which, interestingly, was being investigated for fraud in Florida, but the AG dropped the investigation shortly after the Trump Foundation made a $25,000 donation to her PAC ....and that AG was none other than current Attorney General Pam Bondi...and that donation was fined for being an illegal contribution because it came from a charity). Many of these ventures were poorly timed, like Trump Mortgages, which launched in 2006, a year before the subprime mortgages started to default...or his interference in things like USFL and the New Jersey Generals. There is a saying, and it still holds fairly true, that Everything Trump Touches Dies.
I don't know. Trump seemed to be doing pretty well. He had many business ventures. I doubt he was deeply involved in all of them beyond his name and personal marketing.

We've covered this over the years. Trump had an interesting niche in reality television. He resurrected the televised pageant in the U.S. Before he became a political entity, people bought condos in his new buildings for what was sometimes a 15% premium.

None of that was my cup of tea, but I'm bemused by those who want to track all of Trump's business wins and losses.

I would point out all the U.S. and Canadian politicians who have never had a successful career outside politics. Biden was a career politician who tried running several times. Obama kind of helped pull him across the finish line. You know Trudeau's story.

This career politician comparison leads to the fact before our very eyes. Trump won the Presidency twice. Like him or not, that itself is an incredible accomplishment.

If there's one thing people can criticize or on some level resent, is that someone like Trump can get to a level where they can raise lots of money to launch many endeavors. But then again, I'm not sure there is anyone who has tried their hand at so many disparate things.
 

Lenny59

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U.S. stocks up 30-50% in the last six months, hardly a sign of "depression." The wackos warning of a stock market crash before that are strangely silent now.
 

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Insidious Von

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U.S. stocks up 30-50% in the last six months, hardly a sign of "depression." The wackos warning of a stock market crash before that are strangely silent now.
It's called the pre-crash froth, it happened in 1987 and 1929.

Does my pal Richy have a Trump real doll? This should excite him. Perry Cuomo is greasing the wheels.

 

Butler1000

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U.S. stocks up 30-50% in the last six months, hardly a sign of "depression." The wackos warning of a stock market crash before that are strangely silent now.
One of two things are happening. Perhaps both. The AI bubble hasn't been monetized yet. It's all private equity cash and quid pro quo between various tech companies.

So either it bursts at some point, or.......

It doesn't, but really replaces tens of million of jobs. And it's not just low level ones. The tech companies and other just announced in total hundreds of thousands of middle management and bureaucratic job layoffs. With no rehire plans. And also affects the next cohort of grads if no entry level positions.

Do you understand that the USA, and many other capitalist nations, are heading down a mass unemployment road?
 
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Frankfooter

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One of two things are happening. Perhaps both. The AI bubble hasn't been monetized yet. It's all private equity cash and quid pro quo between various tech companies.

So either it bursts at some point, or.......

It doesn't, but really replaces tens of million of jobs. And it's not just low level ones. The tech companies and other just announced in total hundreds of thousands of middle management and bureaucratic job layoffs. With no rehire plans. And also affects the next cohort of grads if no entry level positions.

Do you understand that the USA, and many other capitalist nations, are heading down a mass unemployment road?
Its one of the two
A) The AI bubble crashes and the american economy is tanked
B) AI miracuously works and america faces mass unemployment and social unrest
 

richaceg

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In the real world you'd have to prove your experience to claim authority on any subject.
Does Zorhan Mandami need to prove experience to become the next Mayor or NYC? Or does it only work for "repugs"?
 
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