Report: Five members of Canada’s 2018 WJC team told to surrender to London Police

[Fun For All]

In this case, I think it is more about the lady providing consent under duress and threat as she felt intimated with all those dudes in the room and whether the players should have known she was not freely consenting to this.

This seems to the Crowns burden to prove.

Yes...that's part of it.

The girl that Mike Tyson got convicted on rape for and Kobe Bryant got charged for sexual assault with never said no, and never fought back either, they just submitted because they thought that was the easiest thing for them to do to get out of it, in those cases, one guy is 6 foot 10 and the other guy is the toughest guy in the world, in this hockey Canada trial there was 10 guys in the room five of them with their dicks out. She just submitted because she thought it was the way out.

Another thing going against the players is that they behaved recklessly, you just can't pull your dick out and wave it in her faces hoping for a blowjob. Evidence from the trial shows that there was very little talking between the girl and the rest of the players they just went for it.

 

[Fun For All]

I'm always curious why a person who drives drunk is completely responsible for their actions but a woman who has sex with a man isn't, while a man who has sex with a woman is.

It's misogynistic in its own way because it presumes a woman still isn't capable of making choices in her life, or being responsible for those choices.

Maybe it's because the women is seen to be at a disadvantage physically wise to the man and submits to the aggressiveness.

 

[Fun For All]

That's a nice payday! I'm surprised she still wants to get married to the BF now that she's set for a while.

She didn't get 3 million, she got a fraction of that.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/hockey-canada-civil-lawsuit-woman-s-former-lawyer-1.7559407

 

[Butler1000]

Maybe it's because the women is seen to be at a disadvantage physically wise to the man and submits to the aggressiveness.

That premise assumes in all cases all men are rapists. It presumes guilt due to gender bias. It assumes in this case every man in that room would have gone along with physically harming her, by default.

It assumes a woman is incapable of consent under those circumstances, because it presumes , by default, she is always going to be intimidated at some point but not capable of expressing it. And that all men will automatically be presumed predisposed to raping her.

It presumes women, by default, should be considered unwilling participants in sex, before, during and after, no matter what. And that men are always presumed guilty, and must prove their innocence.

Like I said, I am amazed these Patriarchal notions that women are not capable of making and taking responsibility for bad decisions still exist.

 

[Fun For All]

That premise assumes in all cases all men are rapists. It presumes guilt due to gender bias. It assumes in this case every man in that room would have gone along with physically harming her, by default.

It assumes a woman is incapable of consent under those circumstances, because it presumes , by default, she is always going to be intimidated at some point but not capable of expressing it. And that all men will automatically be presumed predisposed to raping her.

It presumes women, by default, should be considered unwilling participants in sex, before, during and after, no matter what. And that men are always presumed guilty, and must prove their innocence.

Like I said, I am amazed these Patriarchal notions that women are not capable of making and taking responsibility for bad decisions still exist.

Here...
-the premise does NOT assume ALL men are rapist
-it does NOT presume guilt due to gender bias
--it does NOT assume that every guy in the room would have gone along with physically harming her
-not all, but some women would be intimidated about the situation they were in
-you can NOT assume a women is a willing participant before, during and after
-you can NOT assume that a women "wants" it because she is flirting and teasing

I am amazed that males don't take responsibilty for their own selfish bad decisions as they treated their girl as badly as you would treat another human

Bottom line for everybody involved...alcohol was a factor!

 

[BillC69]

She didn't get 3 million, she got a fraction of that.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/hockey-canada-civil-lawsuit-woman-s-former-lawyer-1.7559407

That's what I suspected, these people ask for a lot of money, then hopefully they get a bit of it through settling out of court.

Like the Ken McElroy case, the widow filed a $5 million wrongful death lawsuit against the town, it was later settled out of court by all parties for $17,600.

 

[Fun For All]

That's what I suspected, these people ask for a lot of money, then hopefully they get a bit of it through settling out of court.

Like the Ken McElroy case, the widow filed a $5 million wrongful death lawsuit against the town, it was later settled out of court by all parties for $17,600.

To get the big money in a civil case, it has to be a life altering experience like physical problems for life, you can never work again things like that. This girl was at work the next day.

 

[mellowjello]

That's a nice payday! I'm surprised she still wants to get married to the BF now that she's set for a while.

Are you kidding?
Where she going to find another sucker who doesn't want to know what really happened.

 

[BillC69]

Are you kidding?
Where she going to find another sucker who doesn't want to know what really happened.

There's a sucker born every minute.

As long as a woman opens her legs and promises to pump out a couple of kids, plenty of guys will marry her. She'll gonna be just fine.

 

[ez$$$]

The 3-way idea was all McLeod...if she had any knowledge about it the defence would have provided evidence...McLeod even lied to the Police about sending the 3-way message.

Fair enough.

Not sure if that alone is enough to get a conviction to the party of an offense charge though.

 

[Fun For All]

There's a sucker born every minute.

As long as a woman opens her legs and promises to pump out a couple of kids, plenty of guys will marry her. She'll gonna be just fine.

Her identity to 99.9% of the population is concealed, by all reports she was an attractive women and is now a university graduate, she will be fine.

The players will have difficulty receiving NHL contracts again and their behaviour has disgraced themselves to anybody who knows their names from family, friends and anybody else...they should learn Russian.

 

[Fun For All]

Fair enough.

Not sure if that alone is enough to get a conviction to the party of an offense charge though.

I think another player has to be convicted...and then the "party to an offense" should be easy.

 

[mellowjello]

These five guys behaved one could say subjectively, deplorably and unwisely all things considered but not criminally and the same could be said about the lady.
The lady suffered from PCD( postcoital dysphoria) or PCT ( postcoital tristesse) as the consensual gang bang left a lingering bad taste, remorse and feelings of degradation with her, and perhaps with some of those guys the same condition.

I've seen this with my own eyes.

 

[mellowjello]

Her identity to 99.9% of the population is concealed, by all reports she was an attractive women and is now a university graduate, she will be fine.

Thank goodness, we can all sleep well tonight.

The players will have difficulty receiving NHL contracts again and their behaviour has disgraced themselves to anybody who knows their names from family, friends and anybody else...they should learn Russian.

Which is exactly why they may have lied or contradicted themselves, because they knew there would be consequences even though they weren't guilty.
E.M. lied and contradicted because she knew the consequences of her boyfriend finding out she went back to a random's hotel room and getting fucked by a bunch of guys
after begging for it.
Poor thing, the courage after being traumatized liked that to go to work the next day.
An inspiration to us all.

 

[ez$$$]

I think another player has to be convicted...and then the "party to an offense" should be easy.

Yeah, perhaps McLeoad gets convicted on both charges but still think it is a bit of a reach.

 

[ez$$$]

Thank goodness, we can all sleep well tonight.


Which is exactly why they may have lied or contradicted themselves, because they knew there would be consequences even though they weren't guilty.
E.M. lied and contradicted because she knew the consequences of her boyfriend finding out she went back to a random's hotel room and getting fucked by a bunch of guys
after begging for it.
Poor thing, the courage after being traumatized liked that to go to work the next day.
An inspiration to us all.

Yeah, this whole thing is so regrettable.

All a bit of no-win situation for these players as I think they should not have bothered with making voluntary statements to the the police.

If not for that one evening, these guys could be enjoying high-level professioal careers.

 

[Fun For All]

Yeah, this whole thing is so regrettable.

All a bit of no-win situation for these players as I think they should not have bothered with making voluntary statements to the the police.

If not for that one evening, these guys could be enjoying high-level professioal careers.

Poor guys and their careers…selfish behaviour cost them.

They shouldn’t have talked to the Police considering McLeod and Dubé got caught lying to them

 

[Fun For All]

Yeah, perhaps McLeoad gets convicted on both charges but still think it is a bit of a reach.

I think more than McLeod should be concerned about convictions

 

[Butler1000]

Here...
-the premise does NOT assume ALL men are rapist
-it does NOT presume guilt due to gender bias
--it does NOT assume that every guy in the room would have gone along with physically harming her
-not all, but some women would be intimidated about the situation they were in
-you can NOT assume a women is a willing participant before, during and after
-you can NOT assume that a women "wants" it because she is flirting and teasing

I am amazed that males don't take responsibilty for their own selfish bad decisions as they treated their girl as badly as you would treat another human

Bottom line for everybody involved...alcohol was a factor!

Lying on a bed masturbating is a pretty good indicator......

Alcohol is not an excuse. It is a decision.

And yes gender bias is involved. A man gets drunk, goes and has sex, you think he can plead sexual assault after?

What responsibility? She has a responsibility to say no.

 

[Fun For All]

Lying on a bed masturbating is a pretty good indicator......

Alcohol is not an excuse. It is a decision.

And yes gender bias is involved. A man gets drunk, goes and has sex, you think he can plead sexual assault after?

What responsibility? She has a responsibility to say no.

Lying on a bed masturbating is NOT consent…that is not an invitation for anybody to do anything…she can tease all she wants….and actually, she was lying on a bed sheet that was placed on the floor by the players and was asked to masturbate to put on a show.

She has NO responsibility to say NO…it is up to the players to ensure it is YES, that is legal consent

As far as your example goes, I’ve never heard a case where a guy gets drunk and says he was sexually assaulted that is a ridiculous example