Report: Five members of Canada’s 2018 WJC team told to surrender to London Police

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This case in the States is so similar it's like a template for this case with the Junior hockey players.
Luckily there was video evidence to corroborate their stories.
Wait until you hear her reason for falsely accusing these guys.

Of course, if FFA had heard the accusations, the young men would have been guilty, because they're self-entitled,
spoiled rich kids and he knows how these things happen.....all before any evidence.
See post #320 in this thread.
 

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Keep in mind that the evidence which was withheld from the Jury, (including the players' statements to Hockey Canada), will not be considered when the Judge decides the verdict, unless that information was also provided in players' testimony.

Earlier in the trial, the Judge stated that the means by which HC questioned the players 'hindered the ability of the accused to obtain a fair trial', or words to that effect. That information was released by the press only after the second jury was dismissed, as there had previously been a publication ban.
 

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This case in the States is so similar it's like a template for this case with the Junior hockey players.
Luckily there was video evidence to corroborate their stories.
Wait until you hear her reason for falsely accusing these guys.

Of course, if FFA had heard the accusations, the young men would have been guilty, because they're self-entitled,
spoiled rich kids and he knows how these things happen.....all before any evidence.
When times were conservative, in some Asian countries, women were expected to be virgins before marriage, once their husband find out they're not virgins, they usually make up things like being raped by "hooligans" to show that they're "good girls", even though the pre-marital sex with the ex-boyfriend was totally consensual. At that point, husband would demand her to file a false police report to get the ex-boyfriend into trouble, or go to the ex-boyfriend asking for compensation / money.

After being MIA for several hours after leaving the bar, she had some explaining to do to the BF, that would explain her wiping tears while waiting for uber, as she did not want to thought of as a slut by him, that also explains her being distraught the next day, and mother went to the cops "asking for advice", at some point, once they realized they might get a cheque, they doubled down on the assault.

Once you follow the money, you can see people's motives clearly. Assistant Crown attorney Meaghan Cuntingham said "financial gain had nothing to do with E.M.'s sex assault", then how about returning all the settlement money if players were found not guilty?
 

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And what the fuck does that mean?
You think maybe her reputation would get ripped apart like these players?
What, teenage players are going to call a hit squad on her?
You're too fucking much man, your obsession with destroying these guys
What world have you been living in. It doesn’t have to be a gangster spy movie hit squad.
there are many ways to hurt someone-small and large. Even the implied can cause psychological harm.
even I have connections if I needed to really pull one so imagine being in their league and having the power of numbers and In a society of allegiance.
 

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When times were conservative, in some Asian countries, women were expected to be virgins before marriage, once their husband find out they're not virgins, they usually make up things like being raped by "hooligans" to show that they're "good girls", even though the pre-marital sex with the ex-boyfriend was totally consensual. At that point, husband would demand her to file a false police report to get the ex-boyfriend into trouble, or go to the ex-boyfriend asking for compensation / money.

After being MIA for several hours after leaving the bar, she had some explaining to do to the BF, that would explain her wiping tears while waiting for uber, as she did not want to thought of as a slut by him, that also explains her being distraught the next day, and mother went to the cops "asking for advice", at some point, once they realized they might get a cheque, they doubled down on the assault.

Once you follow the money, you can see people's motives clearly. Assistant Crown attorney Meaghan Cuntingham said "financial gain had nothing to do with E.M.'s sex assault", then how about returning all the settlement money if players were found not guilty?
youre missing the bigger issues in these countries you’re referencing. Often it would be her life and her families reputation. Women were traded/dowry Not comparable.
 

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Can you stop droning on with your stupid opinions?
It's up to the judge now. At least Oracle and K are giving court updates and responding to judge's and lawyers' commentary.
You just keep going on, and on, and on, and on with the same nonsense, all predicated on
your own predetermination of guilt.
Go read the trial by kafka.
 

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What world have you been living in. It doesn’t have to be a gangster spy movie hit squad.
there are many ways to hurt someone-small and large. Even the implied can cause psychological harm.
even I have connections if I needed to really pull one so imagine being in their league and having the power of numbers and In a society of allegiance.
Don't drop acid before you post on this board.
 

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So. To my understanding. There was consent, she was drilled by many different dudes. Sobered up. Regretted that some hockey dudes had their way with her which she consented to and that is sexual assault?
Her side seems to be:-
  • She consented to initial encounter with one of the players
  • Was surprised/caught off guard when other dudes started showing up
  • Started to go into auto-pilot mode and adopt porn star persona in order to satisfy the dudes and just leave the hotel safely as she felt threatened
  • Despite video recording after the encounter stating she was okay with everything, she was not as she felt threatened and was not agreeable to encounters with many of the guys that came to the hotel room
Players side seems to be she was agreeable and taunting them to lay the pipe. It was all a bit awkward and some had girlfriends so a few fucked her while some got a blow job. There was also some butt slapping and tea bagging. All consensual.

Seems to me like without any way to independtly corroborate the complainants claim, the proof beyond a reasonable doubt standard enures to the defendants benefit and the players walk.

Do not think this type of case should even have been charged but once the settlement details became public, there was too much public pressure to reopen the criminal case.

Regarding the players, seems like the process is the punishment. Even if they walk, they still have to deal with the cost and public embarrassment of this trial along with diminished professional opportunities.
 
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Her side seems to be:-
  • She consented to initial encounter with one of the players
  • Was surprised/caught off guard when other dudes started showing up
  • Started to go into auto-pilot mode and adopt porn star persona in order to satisfy the dudes and just leave the hotel safely as she felt threatened
  • Despite video recording after the encounter stating she was okay with everything, she was not as she felt threatened and was not agreeable to encounters with many of the guys that came to the hotel room
Players side seems to be she was agreeable and taunting them to lay the pipe. It was all a bit awkward and some had girlfriends so a few fucked her while some got a blow job. There was also some butt slapping and tea bagging. All consensual.

Seems to me like without any way to independtly corroborate the complainants claim, the proof beyond a reasonable doubt standard enures to the defendants benefit and the players walk.

Do not think this type of case should even have been charged but once the settlement details became public, there was too much public pressure to reopen the criminal case.

Regarding the players, seems like the process is the punishment. Even if they walk, they still have to deal with the cost and public embarrassment of this trial along with diminished professional opportunities.
She didn't want to pursue this, she actually stated that and implied it when she sent a text to her friend saying her mother was making a big deal out of this.
In my opinion, it evolved into damage control when the cat got out of the bag, having a boyfriend and all.
 

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She didn't want to pursue this, she actually stated that and implied it when she sent a text to her friend saying her mother was making a big deal out of this.
In my opinion, it evolved into damage control when the cat got out of the bag, having a boyfriend and all.
Yes, from what I have read about this case, seems like the mom and mom's boyfriend got this whole thing started as the girl may have been fine with chalking it up to a regrettable and unfortunate experience.

In fairness, I think most parents would get the authorities involved if their daughter told them that she felt she was part of a forced/coerced sexual episode.
 

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Yes, from what I have read about this case, seems like the mom and mom's boyfriend got this whole thing started as the girl may have been fine with chalking it up to a regrettable and unfortunate experience.

In fairness, I think most parents would get the authorities involved if their daughter told them that she felt she was part of a forced/coerced sexual episode.
3 million dollars for some teabagging with some Hockey dude that may or may not had his pants on, I would pursue the settlement too.

One guy here even suggested she deserved 20 millions, most people spend their whole life working and make only 4-5 million dollars. All she did was a few minutes of lousy blowjob and standing doggy at the bathroom sink, now she's so traumatized she needs $20 millions to heal her "emotional damage". LOL.
 
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3 million dollars for some teabagging with some Hockey dude that may or may not had his pants on, I would pursue the settlement too.

One guy here even suggested she deserved 20 millions, most people spend their whole life working and make only 4-5 million dollars. All she did was a few minutes of lousy blowjob and standing doggy at the bathroom sink, now she's so traumatized she needs $20 millions to heal her "emotional damage". LOL.
Yeah, the $$ is truly crazy based on these allegations but there may be things that are not reported/publicly known. $3.5 million is pretty much lifetime earnings for a middle income type person.

She should be able to live quite comfortably off that settlement for the rest of her life assuming she does not go too crazy with spending. While the complainant and her family may not have been motivated by the civil lawsuit, pretty sure $$ helps take some of the edge off.
 
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Yeah, the $$ is truly crazy based on these allegations but there may be things that are not reported/publicly known. $3.5 million for someone in their early 20's is pretty much lifetime earnings for a middle income type person.

She should be able to live quite comfortably off that settlement for the rest of her life assuming she does not go too crazy with spending. While the complainant and her family may not have been motivated by the civil lawsuit, pretty sure $$ helps take some of the edge off.
Her legal team representing her in the civil suit would probably eat up half of that settlement.
 
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Her legal team representing her in the civil suit would probably eat up half of that settlement.
Fair enough. The legal costs are probably a sizeable part of the settlement.

Still, she probably will be left with enough $$ to lead a pretty comfortable and easy life as long as she manages it responsibly.
 
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These five guys behaved one could say subjectively, deplorably and unwisely all things considered but not criminally and the same could be said about the lady.
The lady suffered from PCD( postcoital dysphoria) or PCT ( postcoital tristesse) as the consensual gang bang left a lingering bad taste, remorse and feelings of degradation with her, and perhaps with some of those guys the same condition.
 
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These five guys behaved one could say subjectively, deplorably and unwisely all things considered but not criminally and the same could be said about the lady.
The lady suffered from PCD( postcoital dysphoria) or PCT ( postcoital tristesse) as the consensual gang bang left a lingering bad taste, remorse and feelings of degradation with her, and perhaps with some of those guys the same condition.
Generally agree.

Although, based on the closing arguments and the police interview of one of the players, Michael McLeod, I think he may have set up the complainant for the gang bang without her knowledge. Still do not think it rises to the proof beyond a reasonable doubt standard for him but I think he has the most culpability of the group.
 
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Her legal team representing her in the civil suit would probably eat up half of that settlement.
Not quite that but likely at least 1/3. So she gets $2 million instead of $3 million.
 
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