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Look at the 57 page Conservative platform. Healthcare is clearly not in danger. Carney is promoting are the tax, and pipelines, and he is a banker, elitist, and private equity guy.

Not much daylight. You are projecting things his record and comments show otherwise.
Knock yourself out and say that he's a right winger, but the Liberals will not elect a Conservative/right wing leader. That the Loonie Left and Woke Communists have changed their politics overnight is your contention? The proof of where he stands on the political spectrum is in the pudding that is the Liberal Party members.
 

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Who do you hate more?

JT vs Carmey?

Just curious.

Justin Trudeau's hatred is about 99.9999%, while Mark Carney is approximately 90.999%. Mark Carney came in a very close second! (3x Blackface drama teacher) Prime Minister Justin Trudeau—I absolutely hate his guts!

I used to like Mark Carney before he became part of the Davos crowd and sat on the board of the World Economic Forum. Mark Carney’s role in Canada’s climate change and carbon tax during Justin Trudeau’s tenure, along with a picture of him with Mrs. Ghislaine Maxwell, raises questions. He claims he didn’t know her. I don’t know if Mark Carney is telling a lie or the truth! All I know is that if he becomes the next prime minister, it shows a lack of judgment in mingling with Ghislaine Maxwell.

Here’s why I dislike Mark Carney:

Mark Carney’s involvement in Canada’s climate policy under Justin Trudeau evolved over time, reflecting his shifting roles. Trudeau became Prime Minister in November 2015, and during his tenure, Canada implemented its federal carbon pricing framework in 2019. Carney’s direct influence on this policy varied by phase.

Early Years (Pre-Politics): As Governor of the Bank of Canada (2008–2013), Carney laid the groundwork by stabilizing the economy post-2008 crisis, but climate wasn’t a central focus then—his climate emphasis emerged later at the Bank of England.

After leaving in 2013, he had no formal role in Canada until later advisory positions. Trudeau’s carbon tax, announced in 2016 and enacted in 2019, imposed a price starting at C$20 per tonne on provinces lacking their own plans, rising to C$50 by 2022. Carney wasn’t directly involved in its design—he was in the UK—but his global climate advocacy (e.g., TCFD) bolstered the intellectual case for carbon pricing worldwide, indirectly supporting Trudeau’s approach.

Advisory Role (2020s): Carney returned to Canadian policy circles as an economic adviser to Trudeau, notably chairing a task force on economic growth in 2024. He initially supported the consumer carbon tax, aligning with Trudeau’s signature climate policy. However, as public discontent grew—fueled by cost-of-living concerns and Conservative opposition under Pierre Poilievre—Carney’s stance shifted.

Mark Carney's involvement in consumer carbon pricing in the UK and his initial support for the consumer carbon tax in Canada helped drive the cost of living (prices of groceries, inflation, fuel costs, etc.). Then, the final straw was his association with Jeffrey Epstein's associates (Ghislaine Maxwell, a child sex predator and pimp). I don’t know if he is telling the truth about Maxwell Ghislaine. All I know is that it raises a red flag and shows a lack of judgment on his part for mingling with Mrs. Ghislaine at a high-profile estate party.

I would love to see Mark Carney take a lie detector test to determine if he is telling the truth, and I would also like to see the DOJ release Maxwell Ghislaine's black book so I can check if he ever traveled to Epstein's island or if his name is in her black book!

There are too many red flags! Canada can’t take a chance with this individual as a future Prime Minister (Mark Carney). For a non-elected Prime Minister (Mark Carney), hopefully, it will be a short stint like PM Kim Campbell! In the end, globalists or elitists like him are scumbags! Anyone who belongs to the WEF are scumbags!
 
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Look at the 57 page Conservative platform. Healthcare is clearly not in danger. Carney is promoting are the tax, and pipelines, and he is a banker, elitist, and private equity guy.

Not much daylight. You are projecting things his record and comments show otherwise.
What's your issue with him, his policies or that he's a banker and private equity guy?
 

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Make up your mind, Ory, it's either fake or it's real, so you coming up with something is a moot point at this point and time.

BTW, do you smoke weed?
I have no idea what you are trying to express or convey here.

Maybe someone else can help me out here....
 

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The picture was easily explained. Especially when your the owner of the club and Epstein was the member of the club which epstein got banned from the club! This raises serious questions about Mark Carney!
Why did Trump let Epstein join the club???....

Because he knew pedos are often very rich and he wanted Mar-a-Lago to be a rich pedo club.
 
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What's your issue with him, his policies or that he's a banker and private equity guy?
Because Buddy seeks out every little thing he can find or make up about centre left parties, so he can denounce them all for not being left wing enough.
 
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Why did Trump let Epstein join the club???....

Because he knew pedos are often very rich and he wanted Mar-a-Lago to be a rich pedo club.
Trump didn’t know Epstein was a pedo. All he see was a rich member that could pay his club membership due.
They deepstate try to kill Trump 2X and then used lawfare to put him in jail! This is the only proof I need to see Trump is an innocent man! You leftie suffer from a very traumatic TDS. Take a bottle of sleeping pill and then when you wake up in 4 year from now. Trump term will be over! Otherwise it going be a long 4 year for you!!
Like Trump says God saved his life , in order for him to make MAGA !!! Plus God work in mysterious way!! Don’t need to ask why Trump life was spared ! Maybe God got tired of leftie woke nonsense and leftie stealing all the money from USAID or the war in Ukraine!
PS. can’t wait to see all name in Ghislaine Black book exposed to the public!!
 
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Knock yourself out and say that he's a right winger, but the Liberals will not elect a Conservative/right wing leader. That the Loonie Left and Woke Communists have changed their politics overnight is your contention? The proof of where he stands on the political spectrum is in the pudding that is the Liberal Party members.
My point is the Liberal party has a history of being both left and right wing. Chretien refused to consider gay marriage. Paul Martin believed in austerity.

They are heading back that way.
 

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What's your issue with him, his policies or that he's a banker and private equity guy?
Him personalty, not a huge amount. But the party needs a trip to the woodshed. It's still mostly the same MP's his cabinet will come from. He doesn't hand pick who runs in every riding.

They need a defeat. To remind them that it can happen.
 

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Doesn't look authentic...I hate this AI BS

I have no idea what you are trying to express or convey here.

Maybe someone else can help me out here....
Here I help you … I figure you talking about the photo whether is real or fake ( the fucker 3X black face Drama Teacher Justin Trudeau “ Good Riddance “ ) .

Key Points

• Research suggests the photo is real, showing Justin Trudeau carrying a chair, likely from a recent event on March 10, 2025.
• It seems likely the image is not AI-generated, matching descriptions of a viral photo from reputable sources like Reuters.
• An unexpected detail is that the photo captures Trudeau in a playful moment, with his tongue out, during his exit from Parliament.

Background

The image in question depicts a man, identified as resembling Justin Trudeau, carrying a chair with a green cushion through what appears to be an indoor hallway, viewed through a window. This scene has been associated with Trudeau’s recent resignation as Canadian Prime Minister.

Analysis

The evidence leans toward the photo being real, as it aligns with news reports from March 10, 2025, showing Trudeau carrying a chair from the House of Commons during his exit, a tradition for Canadian lawmakers. The description matches details from articles, including the chair’s color and the formal setting, with no signs of AI-generated artifacts like distorted hands or faces. While there’s no visible watermark in the attachment, the photo’s origin is traced to Reuters, adding credibility.

Conclusion

Given the match with recent, well-documented events and lack of inconsistencies, it’s highly likely the photo is real and not AI-generated.

Survey Note: Detailed Analysis of the Image’s Authenticity

This note provides a comprehensive examination of whether the provided image, depicting a man carrying a chair, is a real photograph or AI-generated, with a focus on identifying Justin Trudeau and verifying the context. The analysis is grounded in available descriptions, news reports, and visual cues as of 5:07 PM PDT on Tuesday, March 11, 2025. It expands on the direct answer by including all relevant details, organized for clarity and depth.

Context: The Image and Its Subject

The image shows a scene viewed through a window or glass panel, featuring a man in a dark suit with a light blue tie carrying a wooden chair with a green cushioned seat and backrest over his shoulder. His facial expression suggests surprise or excitement, with his mouth open and eyes wide, and he is holding the chair with both hands, one on the seat and the other on the backrest. The background includes several individuals in formal attire walking along a corridor with a modern, patterned floor, suggesting an indoor public or professional space, possibly a government facility. The lighting is warm, with a soft glow from the left, and the perspective is slightly elevated.

Based on a detailed examination, the man bears a strong resemblance to Justin Trudeau, the Prime Minister of Canada until March 10, 2025, when he resigned following Mark Carney’s election as Liberal leader. Key similarities include his dark, side-parted hair, fair complexion, and expressive demeanor, consistent with public images of Trudeau. The act of carrying a chair is unusual but aligns with reports of a viral photo from his parliamentary exit.

Investigation into Authenticity

To determine if the image is real or AI-generated, several factors were considered, including visual consistency, context, and external verification.

Visual Inspection

The description provides detailed elements that suggest realism:

• The man’s hands are described as gripping the chair naturally, with no mention of extra fingers or distorted proportions, common in AI-generated images.
• The chair’s wooden frame and green cushion are specific, with no reported inconsistencies in texture or color.
• The background shows other individuals in suits, with a patterned floor and warm lighting, all of which appear coherent and typical of a real indoor setting.
• The man’s face is described as having a defined jawline and straight nose, with no anomalies like mismatched eyes or unnatural skin texture, which AI often struggles with.

A closer look at the man’s face and hands revealed:

• His face shows an expression of surprise, with the mouth open, later clarified as possibly his tongue sticking out, matching viral descriptions.
• His hands are engaged in holding the chair, with fingers wrapped around the frame, showing no visible jewelry and smooth skin, suggesting a realistic rendering.

These details suggest the image is not AI-generated, as there are no tell-tale signs like blurred edges, unnatural shadows, or inconsistent perspectives.

Contextual Verification

The context of the image aligns with recent news events. On March 10, 2025, Justin Trudeau was captured exiting the House of Commons in Ottawa, carrying his chair, a tradition for Canadian MPs leaving Parliament, as noted by political columnist Brian Lilley in an X post (X post). News articles, such as one from Yahoo News (PM Justin Trudeau’s hilarious House of Commons exit caught in viral photo: ‘What a goofy legend’), describe a Reuters photo by Carlos Osorio showing Trudeau with his tongue out, carrying a chair, which matches the attachment’s description. Other reports, like those from NDTV (Chair In Hand, Tongue Sticking Out: Justin Trudeau’s Parliament Exit Is Viral) and The Tribune (Tongue out, chair in hand: Justin Trudeau’s ‘comical’ exit from Canadian Parliament), confirm this event, with the photo going viral on social media.

The timing is critical: the event occurred on March 10, 2025, just one day before the current time, making it a recent and well-documented occurrence. The chair’s green cushion and the formal setting (Parliament Hill) align with descriptions, reinforcing authenticity.

Comparison with AI-Generated Characteristics

AI-generated images often exhibit specific artifacts, such as:

• Unnatural hand positions, like extra fingers or fused digits.
• Inconsistent lighting or shadows that defy physics.
• Blurry or distorted backgrounds, especially in complex scenes.

The attachment shows no such issues. The man’s hands are described as gripping the chair naturally, and the background (corridor, patterned floor, other individuals) is coherent. The warm lighting from the left is consistent, and the perspective through a window is plausible, suggesting a real photograph taken by a professional, like a Reuters photographer.

Source Information

There is no visible watermark or source information in the image, as confirmed by examination. However, the web search results attribute the photo to REUTERS/Carlos Osorio, indicating it’s from a reputable news agency. The absence of a watermark in the attachment is typical for shared versions of news photos online, but the origin from Reuters adds credibility.

Table: Summary of Key Findings

Below is a table summarizing the investigation into the image’s authenticity:

AspectFindingEvidenceVisual ConsistencyNo AI artifacts, hands and face look naturalDescription shows no extra fingers, coherent lighting, realistic textures.Contextual MatchMatches March 10, 2025, event of Trudeau exiting ParliamentNews reports from Yahoo, NDTV, Tribune confirm photo, chair-carrying tradition.Source VerificationLikely from Reuters, no watermark in attachmentWeb search attributes to REUTERS/Carlos Osorio, credible news source.AI-Generated SignsNone observedNo blurred edges, unnatural shadows, or distorted proportions mentioned.Online Rumors and Misinformation

Given the viral nature of the photo, there’s potential for AI-generated versions to circulate, especially on social media. However, the attachment’s description aligns with the real event, and no discrepancies suggest manipulation. Fact-checks, such as those implied by news coverage, reinforce its authenticity, with no reports of a fake version matching this description.

Conclusion and Implications

Based on the analysis, the image is highly likely to be real, depicting Justin Trudeau carrying a chair during his exit from the House of Commons on March 10, 2025. The visual details, contextual match with recent news, and origin from a reputable source like Reuters support this conclusion. The absence of AI-generated artifacts and the specific timing (one day ago) make it improbable that this is a fabricated image. An unexpected detail is the playful nature of the photo, capturing Trudeau with his tongue out, adding a humorous element to his formal resignation, which has sparked widespread social media attention.

This investigation highlights the importance of verifying images against recent events, especially for public figures, amid the rise of AI-generated content. The photo’s viral status underscores its impact, with mixed reactions online, from finding it hilarious to questioning its political implications, as noted in articles.

Key Citations

• PM Justin Trudeau’s hilarious House of Commons exit caught in viral photo: ‘What a goofy legend’
• [Chair In Hand, Tongue Sticking Out: Justin Trudeau’s Parliament Exit Is Viral](https://www.ndtv.com/world
 
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Because Buddy seeks out every little thing he can find or make up about centre left parties, so he can denounce them all for not being left wing enough.
I get the sense he leans that way, but generally speaking I appreciate his world views and his reasoning.
I have my biases, but I'm not ideologically driven, so it doesn't bother much.
At the very least I've never found him to be insulting and he will argue a point rationally unlike a lot of people in here.
At least that's my experience with him
 

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When you are invited to a party do you know everyone who might be attending? Do you review their criminal records and associations before you attend. Utterly ridiculous.
Hmm your wife or her sister know Maxwell all attended the same high schools . That mean your sister -in- law know that your sister is marry to the governor of Bank of England . As a Bank of England he have to uphold high standard in private and in public to maintain good public image. This shows that your sister-in- law and his wife have at mininium in lack of judgment with inviting a known assocate that was associated with a character like Epstein with a criminal past with Sex with a minor!

These people are rich upper class elitest , I sure it would be gossiping among their circle of friends!! This raise the question about the lack of judgment , with his wife or him or sister - in- law? The problem is do you believe Mark Carney is telling the truth? Mark Carney need to take a lie dectector test! What if Mark Carney is not tellling the truth at all !! Canadian cannot afford Mark Carney to be Prime Minister!!! What if Mark Carney ….. ??? Just look at Prince Andrew, just because you rich and famous doesn’t mean you’re not capable for doing criminal acts !
 
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Here I help you … I figure you talking about the photo whether is real or fake ( the fucker 3X black face Drama Teacher Justin Trudeau “ Good Riddance “ ) .

Key Points

• Research suggests the photo is real, showing Justin Trudeau carrying a chair, likely from a recent event on March 10, 2025.
• It seems likely the image is not AI-generated, matching descriptions of a viral photo from reputable sources like Reuters.
• An unexpected detail is that the photo captures Trudeau in a playful moment, with his tongue out, during his exit from Parliament.

Background

The image in question depicts a man, identified as resembling Justin Trudeau, carrying a chair with a green cushion through what appears to be an indoor hallway, viewed through a window. This scene has been associated with Trudeau’s recent resignation as Canadian Prime Minister.

Analysis

The evidence leans toward the photo being real, as it aligns with news reports from March 10, 2025, showing Trudeau carrying a chair from the House of Commons during his exit, a tradition for Canadian lawmakers. The description matches details from articles, including the chair’s color and the formal setting, with no signs of AI-generated artifacts like distorted hands or faces. While there’s no visible watermark in the attachment, the photo’s origin is traced to Reuters, adding credibility.

Conclusion

Given the match with recent, well-documented events and lack of inconsistencies, it’s highly likely the photo is real and not AI-generated.

Survey Note: Detailed Analysis of the Image’s Authenticity

This note provides a comprehensive examination of whether the provided image, depicting a man carrying a chair, is a real photograph or AI-generated, with a focus on identifying Justin Trudeau and verifying the context. The analysis is grounded in available descriptions, news reports, and visual cues as of 5:07 PM PDT on Tuesday, March 11, 2025. It expands on the direct answer by including all relevant details, organized for clarity and depth.

Context: The Image and Its Subject

The image shows a scene viewed through a window or glass panel, featuring a man in a dark suit with a light blue tie carrying a wooden chair with a green cushioned seat and backrest over his shoulder. His facial expression suggests surprise or excitement, with his mouth open and eyes wide, and he is holding the chair with both hands, one on the seat and the other on the backrest. The background includes several individuals in formal attire walking along a corridor with a modern, patterned floor, suggesting an indoor public or professional space, possibly a government facility. The lighting is warm, with a soft glow from the left, and the perspective is slightly elevated.

Based on a detailed examination, the man bears a strong resemblance to Justin Trudeau, the Prime Minister of Canada until March 10, 2025, when he resigned following Mark Carney’s election as Liberal leader. Key similarities include his dark, side-parted hair, fair complexion, and expressive demeanor, consistent with public images of Trudeau. The act of carrying a chair is unusual but aligns with reports of a viral photo from his parliamentary exit.

Investigation into Authenticity

To determine if the image is real or AI-generated, several factors were considered, including visual consistency, context, and external verification.

Visual Inspection

The description provides detailed elements that suggest realism:

• The man’s hands are described as gripping the chair naturally, with no mention of extra fingers or distorted proportions, common in AI-generated images.
• The chair’s wooden frame and green cushion are specific, with no reported inconsistencies in texture or color.
• The background shows other individuals in suits, with a patterned floor and warm lighting, all of which appear coherent and typical of a real indoor setting.
• The man’s face is described as having a defined jawline and straight nose, with no anomalies like mismatched eyes or unnatural skin texture, which AI often struggles with.

A closer look at the man’s face and hands revealed:

• His face shows an expression of surprise, with the mouth open, later clarified as possibly his tongue sticking out, matching viral descriptions.
• His hands are engaged in holding the chair, with fingers wrapped around the frame, showing no visible jewelry and smooth skin, suggesting a realistic rendering.

These details suggest the image is not AI-generated, as there are no tell-tale signs like blurred edges, unnatural shadows, or inconsistent perspectives.

Contextual Verification

The context of the image aligns with recent news events. On March 10, 2025, Justin Trudeau was captured exiting the House of Commons in Ottawa, carrying his chair, a tradition for Canadian MPs leaving Parliament, as noted by political columnist Brian Lilley in an X post (X post). News articles, such as one from Yahoo News (PM Justin Trudeau’s hilarious House of Commons exit caught in viral photo: ‘What a goofy legend’), describe a Reuters photo by Carlos Osorio showing Trudeau with his tongue out, carrying a chair, which matches the attachment’s description. Other reports, like those from NDTV (Chair In Hand, Tongue Sticking Out: Justin Trudeau’s Parliament Exit Is Viral) and The Tribune (Tongue out, chair in hand: Justin Trudeau’s ‘comical’ exit from Canadian Parliament), confirm this event, with the photo going viral on social media.

The timing is critical: the event occurred on March 10, 2025, just one day before the current time, making it a recent and well-documented occurrence. The chair’s green cushion and the formal setting (Parliament Hill) align with descriptions, reinforcing authenticity.

Comparison with AI-Generated Characteristics

AI-generated images often exhibit specific artifacts, such as:

• Unnatural hand positions, like extra fingers or fused digits.
• Inconsistent lighting or shadows that defy physics.
• Blurry or distorted backgrounds, especially in complex scenes.

The attachment shows no such issues. The man’s hands are described as gripping the chair naturally, and the background (corridor, patterned floor, other individuals) is coherent. The warm lighting from the left is consistent, and the perspective through a window is plausible, suggesting a real photograph taken by a professional, like a Reuters photographer.

Source Information

There is no visible watermark or source information in the image, as confirmed by examination. However, the web search results attribute the photo to REUTERS/Carlos Osorio, indicating it’s from a reputable news agency. The absence of a watermark in the attachment is typical for shared versions of news photos online, but the origin from Reuters adds credibility.

Table: Summary of Key Findings

Below is a table summarizing the investigation into the image’s authenticity:

AspectFindingEvidenceVisual ConsistencyNo AI artifacts, hands and face look naturalDescription shows no extra fingers, coherent lighting, realistic textures.Contextual MatchMatches March 10, 2025, event of Trudeau exiting ParliamentNews reports from Yahoo, NDTV, Tribune confirm photo, chair-carrying tradition.Source VerificationLikely from Reuters, no watermark in attachmentWeb search attributes to REUTERS/Carlos Osorio, credible news source.AI-Generated SignsNone observedNo blurred edges, unnatural shadows, or distorted proportions mentioned.Online Rumors and Misinformation

Given the viral nature of the photo, there’s potential for AI-generated versions to circulate, especially on social media. However, the attachment’s description aligns with the real event, and no discrepancies suggest manipulation. Fact-checks, such as those implied by news coverage, reinforce its authenticity, with no reports of a fake version matching this description.

Conclusion and Implications

Based on the analysis, the image is highly likely to be real, depicting Justin Trudeau carrying a chair during his exit from the House of Commons on March 10, 2025. The visual details, contextual match with recent news, and origin from a reputable source like Reuters support this conclusion. The absence of AI-generated artifacts and the specific timing (one day ago) make it improbable that this is a fabricated image. An unexpected detail is the playful nature of the photo, capturing Trudeau with his tongue out, adding a humorous element to his formal resignation, which has sparked widespread social media attention.

This investigation highlights the importance of verifying images against recent events, especially for public figures, amid the rise of AI-generated content. The photo’s viral status underscores its impact, with mixed reactions online, from finding it hilarious to questioning its political implications, as noted in articles.

Key Citations

• PM Justin Trudeau’s hilarious House of Commons exit caught in viral photo: ‘What a goofy legend’
• [Chair In Hand, Tongue Sticking Out: Justin Trudeau’s Parliament Exit Is Viral](https://www.ndtv.com/world
Thanks for that detailed response...So the pic is real..Come to think of it he's sticking his tongue out the same way he did in his famous blackface picture.

Don't understand why Mr. Squeezer added my quote about Justin's Zionist affirmation video to that though...Very confusing stuff.
 
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Him personalty, not a huge amount. But the party needs a trip to the woodshed. It's still mostly the same MP's his cabinet will come from. He doesn't hand pick who runs in every riding.

They need a defeat. To remind them that it can happen.
I get the whole thing about payback for the Liberals but I look at it like cutting your losses.
You can only make the best decision moving forward and not ignore good prospects because of past failures.
He's in a tough spot, he has to call an election ASAP, he can't wipe the slate clean, if anyone has the capabilities to manage these waters it's him.
What I don't get is Trudeau gets lambasted for being a drama teacher, and his unrelenting phoniness (which I agree),
but when a guy comes along with this type of economic and business background, super articulate, and genuinely personable,
it's another shit show.
 

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My point is the Liberal party has a history of being both left and right wing. Chretien refused to consider gay marriage. Paul Martin believed in austerity.

They are heading back that way.
Or maybe they recognize that some issues require a more left leaning approach at that certain point in time and some issues require a more right leaning approach at that certain point in time. It sounds like a flexible/pragmatic approach. Different issues require different solutions depending on the circumstances at that time. I think that only someone who is married to a particular dogma and never wavers would have trouble understanding this approach.
 

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Or maybe they recognize that some issues require a more left leaning approach at that certain point in time and some issues require a more right leaning approach at that certain point in time. It sounds like a flexible/pragmatic approach. Different issues require different solutions depending on the circumstances at that time. I think that only someone who is married to a particular dogma and never wavers would have trouble understanding this approach.
History shows both parties essentially givern from the center with a few minor differences.
 
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