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SchlongConery

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Repeat: There are mature human beings on Terb that believe this is a real photo, not just someone as clueless and surperior as you Captain Obvious.
Really? Name ONE. Or is it something you know about “everyone in the world”?
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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If they were to do that we'd no doubt be heading to a WW3. Could you imagine if China or Russia set up a military alliance with Mexico, you think the US would allow that?
If the US was trying to invade Mexico, yes, it would be justified.
The threat of WW3 is what is needed to keep Russia contained.
Mutually assured destruction.
The other alternative is for Ukraine to acquire nukes.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Yes, an imperialist 19th century mindset about "spheres of influence".
We agree.
The US and China also have spheres of influence of their own.

Canada is part of America's sphere of influence, whether you like it or not
 

Phil C. McNasty

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If the US was trying to invade Mexico, yes, it would be justified.
The threat of WW3 is what is needed to keep Russia contained.
Mutually assured destruction.
The other alternative is for Ukraine to acquire nukes
There is not a snowball's chance in hell the West will ever give Ukraine nukes
 

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If Canada, Mexico, and all the Caribbean islands joined a Russian military alliance, do you think the US would allow it and do nothing??
On the flip side, what should Canada and Mexico do now that the US has joined a Russian military alliance?
With the US threatening Mexico and calling Canada the 51st state it seems like we need to call on NATO.
 
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Really? Name ONE. Or is it something you know about “everyone in the world”?
Yes really. From reading your idiotic posts I would bet good money you believe it’s a real photo, and yes you are also one of the delusional arrogant indigents on Terb that think they know everything about everybody in the world.
 
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nottyboi

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That is a load of made up bullshit history straight from Putin's personal journals lol.
From ChatGPT:
That statement is historically inaccurate and highly politically charged. Here’s why:
  1. Odessa’s History – While Odessa was founded by the Russian Empire in 1794 and has a significant Russian-speaking population, it has been part of Ukraine since 1991. Historically, the region was inhabited by various peoples, including Tatars, Moldovans, and Ukrainians, before Russian colonization. Saying it "belongs with Russia" ignores Ukraine’s sovereignty and the historical complexities of national identity.
  2. Kyiv (Kiev) and Ukrainian Identity – Kyiv is one of the most historically significant cities in Slavic history. It was the center of Kyivan Rus', the medieval state from which Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia trace their origins. The idea that Kyiv "belongs with Russia" dismisses Ukraine’s long history as a distinct nation.
  3. Ukraine’s Borders and Identity – The claim that "Ukraine is really Lviv minus Polish and Hungarian lands" is misleading. Ukraine’s modern borders were shaped over centuries, including periods under the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and the Russian Empire. However, Ukrainian identity and language developed independently, and Ukraine today consists of much more than just Lviv.
This statement reflects an imperial Russian perspective that disregards Ukrainian self-determination. While historical ties exist between Ukraine and Russia, Ukraine is an independent nation with its own history, language, and political identity.
And you think CHat GTP is impartial? Where you do you think it loads it data? who do you think creates its alogos? AI is like a child, if a racist parent raises a child, what will their biases likely be? The war actually started in Kiev.
 
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mandrill

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If they were to do that we'd no doubt be heading to a WW3. Could you imagine if China or Russia set up a military alliance with Mexico, you think the US would allow that?
Let me point out some obvious distinctions.

The USA has been in Europe since WW2. Russia and China do not have a presence in Mexico.

Europe is an ally of the USA - at least up to this week - and is intimately concerned about Russian aggression - espec Poland, the Baltics and Scandinavia. As the US is Europe's ally, it's legitimately concerned as well.

The US hasn't attacked Mexico since 1917 or denied Mexico's right to exist. Russia has done both re Ukraine.

your posts get dumber all the time.
 

SchlongConery

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It's not about ending the war, it's about extortion.
And obligations from the Russian hands that fed him since the 1980’s when Russia started to cultivate him. After which he (ha ha!) paid $100,000 for a full page anti-NATO ad in theNY Times
 

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And to realize we have so many of the 4% here!

Makes me feel dirtier than staying with an escortalligator bait and switch old chinese mamasan offering BB if I stay!
Schlong, it wasn't even close to a scientific poll. It was open voting on a liberal commentator's website.
It's kind of bizarre to see it on CNN, but I guess this guy has his own weekend show.

I'm more interested in legitimate polling that tells us if the Oval Office meeting moved the needle on support for the war one way or another. My guess it won't change public sentiment in the U.S.
 
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danmand

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Yes not until Ukraine sees no way out of this and withdraws from the NPT.
Long shot but they could if they needed to and are pushed to it.
It is not going to happen unless Europe wants to be annihilated, and probably everybody else except maybe New Zealand.

One o f Russia's requirements for an end to the war is a demilitarized Ukraine.
 

mandrill

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Well, if Russia set one up, Trump would welcome it, so that's clearly not a problem.
China maybe less so.

There is a slim chance Trump really thinks he is allowed to have the Western Hemisphere unimpeded if they carve things up.

But if the implication is that the US would invade Mexico, the US is already threatening unilateral military action in Mexico.
I think Trump wants to be the Putin of the Western Hemisphere and would invade Canada and Greenland in a second, if he thought the backlash wouldn't be too great.

I think he would also invade Mexico and enslave the Mexicans and force them to work in concentration camps and produce golf carts and male makekup products at a very low cost for him and his friends.
 
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