Thats a non-starter, because one of the conditions of ending the cold war was that Ukraine would never become part of NATO
Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode
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That all shifted when trump dropped NATO and joined with Russia.
‘Once in a generation moment’: European leaders meet to discuss Ukraine war
Ukrainian president is in London for talks following his clash at the White House with US President Donald Trump.
I wonder if this brings a tear to both Trumputin and Vance's eyes this morning. They should be very proud of themselves and all their supporters should be cheering for their cult leader's success.
And one of the conditions was that Ukraine would give up nukes and Russia wouldn't attack.
Looks like only one party kept their promises and that party isn't Russia.
Because that's Zelensky's policy and the Ukrainians support him???......
Just a suggestion, Earp...
Trump has lost the British right and their press is running front page attacks on him.
I think it is excellent news. Putin has since 2015 repeatedly requested an integrated security pact between USA, Europe and Russia.
It appears that finally, after 1,000,000 totally unnecessary deaths, at least USA is prepared to talk to Russia.about that.
Europe does not on its own present a threat to anybody, so they are pretty much irrelevant. They want USA to fight WWIII for them.
There are mature human beings on Terb that believe this is a real photo? Oh my Lord please help us!
Ukraine had been slowly warming up to becoming a part of NATO since 1990s and 2000s. This is part of the reason why Putin invaded Ukraine. There's absolutely no way Russia is going to allow Ukraine to become part of NATO
Read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukr... support among Ukrainians for NATO membership.
My point was that any Euro leader can say what he said, but there was no hard action or decision. I am sorry I didn't get a lot from the clip other than an articulate lecture. It would have far more weight coming from the Germans or the French followed up with more "skin in the game".
Anyway, I thought Zelensky was out of line. Vance should have just shut up.
I didn't like the use of word diplomacy in that context, but it didn't need to be debated in the media.
The problem with your haranguing about our "cult leader" and the Ukrainian war is that half our country wants a quick end without trying to win back territory. Democracy means tolerating and coming to terms with sentiment that we might disagree with. We all have to live in societies with a myriad of opinions.
As one might have expected, there was much more American public support in 2022-2023. It's likely this support will continue to decline if the war continues without a Ukrainian breakthrough. I believe Canadians are also now divided on the matter.
Its either build the bomb or join NATO for Ukraine at this point.
The war really is a war of drones now.
Well if it is not NATO it could be a different military arrangement.
Something that guarantees that Russia will face military consequences that they are guaranteed to lose.
And can you blame Ukraine after Putin occupied Crimea in 2014?
Putin invaded Ukraine for many reasons.
The chief one being that he does not see Ukraine as an independent sovereign nation, but as a part of Russia.
He sees Belarus the same way.
But Belarus is a vassal state and Ukraine was too until they moved away from that after Maidan.
This is why Putin attacked despite what he may say.
He does not see Ukraine as a separate country, so how dare they pursue an independent foreign policy.
The free and civilized nations of the world should therefore stand with Ukraine and not with Russia.
But civilized behaviour and Trump do not belong in the same sentence. So here we are.
Wait, Europe isn't a threat but you think NATO is a threat?
Is that with or without the US as a member/partner?
Trump will be very proud.
He loves despots and dictators and receiving approval from them.
Amazing how everyone on Terb knows absolutely everything personal about everybody in the world. Truly amazing.
Its amazing that MAGA really didn't notice trump preferring Putin, Kim Jong Un, Bolsonaro and other despots in his first term.Amazing how everyone on Terb knows absolutely everything personal about everybody in the world. Truly amazing.
Ukraine gets nothing while Israel just got another $3 billion for their genocide.
He has expressed his admiration for Putin, Kim Jong Un etc.,Amazing how everyone on Terb knows absolutely everything personal about everybody in the world. Truly amazing.
Called them strong leaders, smart etc.,
Got it.I am not in principal as I believe they are meaningless. But the more security guarantees given by NATO nations only means continuation of the war. IMHO Russia has no desire to stop until Ukraine has no Black Sea coast. If you have any sense of history you would also understand why Odessa belongs with Russia. Maybe also Kiev. Ukraine is really Livov minus the Polish and Hungarian lands. That's the REAL Ukraine.(BTW I have have a few drinks at this point so I may disagree with myself tomorrow)
You're just making up shit to side with Russia and have no actual opposition to the concept of security guarantees.
Fair enough.
Carry on.
