No Deal Got Done--Vladdy Going to Free Agency

[Nad Smith]

I am not so sure it was a bad baseball decision to not overpay Geurrero. In addition to his numbers being very good, but not out of this world and some of the long term worries - he has not proven himself to be a winner. Take a look at the video "Vlad playoff heroics" ...oh wait there isn't one....he disappeared in the playoffs - except to be picked off second base (an unforgivable baseball sin).

Yes it will be interesting to watch how this year unfolds....and to see whether the seats are full. Fans sanctioned the last place finish every time they bought a ticket. We should be talking about the lack of pitching depth. If the starters stay healthy, the team should be all right (although lack of a good lefty is alarming)....but the team has been lucky with the durability of Gausman, Berrios, et al.

 

[Toronto Passions]

It seems like a bad and unnecessary gamble to me. They could have signed him for a lot less last year and the price will probably go up a lot more next year. The Jays will end up being the master of their own demise.

My biggest hope, is that Rogers is using this administration as the fall guys for not getting the deal done. And if Vlady is having a good year let’s hope Rogers finally fires these two morons and hopefully then they can bring in someone to save the day and get the deal done. SHITiero and ASSkins are horrible negotiators. Clearly the lack of off-season signings tells us this.

Philip

 

[Toronto Passions]

…. I shouldn’t say the lack of off-season signings. ASSkins has some roster assembling ability. This past off-season wasn’t a bust. In my opinion he got some stuff done. Striking out on opportunity signings is more like it. I listen to podcasts of other teams. The word around the league,on the Blue Jays is that they suck in getting the deal done. Constant failures and misses.

Philip

 

[shack]

My biggest hope, is that Rogers is using this administration as the fall guys for not getting the deal done.

Philip

I think that the biggest motivator would be lots of empty seats. It's just so visible and in your face. Lowered ratings would just pile it on.

 

[mitchell76]

I think that the biggest motivator would be lots of empty seats. It's just so visible and in your face. Lowered ratings would just pile it on.

IMHO, Rogers center won't have a lot of empty seats. Also, Jays TV ratings are excellent!!

Just too repeat, it's not worth it to sign Vladdy to a 12 yr contract!!

Jays fans are expecting the Jays to have a 500 year at best. The Jays fans know that Baltimore, the Yankees, and the red Sox are way better teams than the Jays, and that's just in their own division!!

 

[mitchell76]

It's too early to say, but most likely the number of teams chasing after him after the WS will prove that your opinion of him will not align with reality.

As I type this, it makes me want to ask, what kind of contract do you think he'll get next year? How long and how much will these money smart billionaires want to pay him?

I have no idea. It depends how well Vladdy does this upcoming season!!

 

[Toronto Passions]

IMHO, Rogers center won't have a lot of empty seats. Also, Jays TV ratings are excellent!!

Just too repeat, it's not worth it to sign Vladdy to a 12 yr contract!!

Jays fans are expecting the Jays to have a 500 year at best. The Jays fans know that Baltimore, the Yankees, and the red Sox are way better teams than the Jays, and that's just in their own division!!

My take on what people are saying is they don’t really know what to expect right now in terms of what the season is going to look like. After Santander and Scherzer were signed, I have sensed a little optimism. Many podcasts were saying if they extend Guerrero, it has been a winning off-season.

But now, unfortunately, all that Guerrero extension talk is down the toilet. Vladimir Guerrero Junior is one of the few faces of the MLB. Losing him would be catastrophic to this franchise.

Philip

 

[mitchell76]

My take on what people are saying is they don’t really know what to expect right now in terms of what the season is going to look like. After Santander and Scherzer were signed, I have sensed a little optimism. Many podcasts were saying if they extend Guerrero, it has been a winning off-season.

But now, unfortunately, all that Guerrero extension talk is down the toilet. Vladimir Guerrero Junior is one of the few faces of the MLB. Losing him would be catastrophic to this franchise.

Philip

I also think Juan Soto's 15yr $765 million contract is ridiculous!! Soto will be 41 yrs by the time this contract plays out.....LMAO Soto will be making 51 million/yr!!

Blue Jays, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. fail to reach agreement before deadline

Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is bound for free agency after the 2025 season as negotiations on a long-term extension with the Toronto Blue Jays hit a wall ahead of a deadline set by the all-star first baseman.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Granite Top]

I don't think Rogers cares. Vladdy doesn't have the type of body that can last in MLB for 12 more yrs. Vladdy has too much propensity to put on a lot of weight!! OK for Rogers to sign Vladdy to a 2 or 3 yr contract extension, but to sign Vladdy to a 12 yr contract extension is ridiculous!!

He'll be flopping out of the dugout like Prince 10 years from now if signed for a long term contract. I can see him steadily porking out again year after year just like a hot chick after she gets married. I highly suspect Rogers was thinking this also.

 

[shack]

I also think Juan Soto's 15yr $765 million contract is ridiculous!! Soto will be 41 yrs by the time this contract plays out.....LMAO Soto will be making 51 million/yr!!

Blue Jays, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. fail to reach agreement before deadline

Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is bound for free agency after the 2025 season as negotiations on a long-term extension with the Toronto Blue Jays hit a wall ahead of a deadline set by the all-star first baseman.

www.sportsnet.ca

Agreed ridiculous. But that is the reality of the market. If you don't want to pay it, somebody else will. If you are serious about competing then you're going to have to overpay somewhere. Especially when a team like the Jays don't have anything significant on the farm.

 

[mitchell76]

Agreed ridiculous. But that is the reality of the market. If you don't want to pay it, somebody else will. If you are serious about competing then you're going to have to overpay somewhere. Especially when a team like the Jays don't have anything significant on the farm.

So let some other team overpay Vladdy, as long as it's not the Jays!!

 

[shack]

So let some other team overpay Vladdy, as long as it's not the Jays!!

So no Soto, no Ohtani, no Sasaki, no Bregman, no Alonso and now no Vladdy. The Jays are so smart that they will remain eternally mediocre.

And very few mediocre teams remain profitable. So, what are they accomplishing?

 

[Toronto Passions]

He'll be flopping out of the dugout like Prince 10 years from now if signed for a long term contract. I can see him steadily porking out again year after year just like a hot chick after she gets married. I highly suspect Rogers was thinking this also.

This post is pretty funny. Prince Fielder is a good comparison as well. I’m on the Big Pappi side, but there is a player like Prince Fielder to also think about. Another thing to think about as well is this salary situation is getting so out of hand, teams cannot compete with each other and it’s getting really bad. I think in the next two years there’s going to be a major lockout.

Hopefully, there’s a salary cap coming in the near future.

Philip

 

[shack]

I think in the next two years there’s going to be a major lockout.

Philip

Major as in loooong one.

The owners need to break this cycle of uber-inflation. This whole concept that if one player gets $X then it changes everybody's market value is kinda dumb. Some teams will never ever be able to compete.

 

[Toronto Passions]

Major as in loooong one.

The owners need to break this cycle of uber-inflation. This whole concept that if one player gets $X then it changes everybody's market value is kinda dumb. Some teams will never ever be able to compete.

if Guerrero has an amazing year, then maybe the Blue Jays are OK with paying premium dollar and they feel confident in being able to outbid anyone for him. But if he has a below expectations season, then good if they’re not over paying him or whatever the expectation is. The thing I can’t understand is if they are taking the guy to arbitration over $1 million, and if they had no intention on extending him as clearly they saw where the market was going… Especially after Shohei Ohtani… then why wouldn’t they just trade Guerrero? Because now they are in a really bad situation.

Anthony Santander is the guy I feel sorry for. Apparently he was promised that the Blue Jays are keeping Guerrero no matter what.

Philip

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1892947108014993506

 

[Toke]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25160862-mlb-rumors-vladimir-guerrero-jr-going-expect-500m-contract-free-agency

 

[maurice93]

I sort of feel Vlad wants to stay with the Jays but he wants to ensure they are contenders as well. If they are not contending he will look to leave.

And they haven't proven that, so he made an outrageous ask (and yes 13/585 is totally ridiculous for a 1B with 2022/23 in recent years). That was the only way he could justify staying without knowing what they were.

if the Jays compete this year and Vlad is happy where they are heading, I think he signs a far more reasonable contract than 13/585... maybe 10/400. But if they are not a playoff team he is probably gone.

 

[shack]

I sort of feel Vlad wants to stay with the Jays but he wants to ensure they are contenders as well. If they are not contending he will look to leave.

And they haven't proven that, so he made an outrageous ask (and yes 13/585 is totally ridiculous for a 1B with 2022/23 in recent years). That was the only way he could justify staying without knowing what they were.

if the Jays compete this year and Vlad is happy where they are heading, I think he signs a far more reasonable contract than 13/585... maybe 10/400. But if they are not a playoff team he is probably gone.

I can't disagree with your premise but coming down from 580 to 400 is enormously enormous.

 

[Toke]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25169805-mlb-rumors-vlad-guerrero-jr-was-offered-500m-contract-deferrals-blue-jays