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Trump : Palestinians, please move out of GAZA. We (USA) will clean it up and make it the Riviera of the middle east. Then you can come back.

Klatuu

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These pro Palestine fools are so tiresome. Like how hard is it to understand that:
1. Palestinians want the entire river to the sea territory.
2. They are prepared to steal babies and bring them into tunnels to achieve this goal, and their youth is indoctrinated to believe it’s okay
3. Giving them a state now would reward terrorism and give them a foothold and allow them to accumulate weapons and resources for a new attack
4. All the peace loving nations and other fools that are currently advocating for Palestine and two state solution will do the following when Palestine inevitably attacks israel: “fuck! Oh well…” which does not really give israel a lot of confidence to give Palestinians that foothold allowing for a perfect opportunity for an attack.
Moldy Ziontology script. Brainwashed from birth.
 
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Yet, when in the same breath, you talk about a "75 year" occupation, I comprehend that that sounds like a justification/excuse for something that you say you condemn. It makes your claims of condemnation ring hollow.

If you can acknowledge that so many women and children died because they were used as human shields by hamas, a fact that Sinwar admitted was their strategy, you'd realize that it was NOT indiscriminate.
Maybe you have not been aware that once upon a time there were Israeli terrorists such as The Irgun, and the Lehi, and designated as "Terrorists" by the British Government
They were conducting themselves in a similar manner to how Hamas in the manner of their killings against not only The British Army but also The Palestinian Citizens.
We did not see the British Army retaliate in a manner that Netanyahu is conducting this war against the Palestinians in Gaza!!
Of course these Israeli terrorist factions considered themselves to be freedom fighters and even were associated with the Likud Party that eventually had Menachim Begin elected as the PM of Israel. A lot of similarities between Hamas and those factions. No wonder that the vast, vast majority of the Nations are denouncing Israel!!

 
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Maybe you have not been aware that once upon a time there were Israeli terrorists such as The Irgun, and the Lehi, and designated as "Terrorists" by the British Government
They were conducting themselves in a similar manner to how Hamas in the manner of their killings against not only The British Army but also The Palestinian Citizens.
We did not see the British Army retaliate in a manner that Netanyahu is conducting this war against the Palestinians in Gaza!!
Of course these Israeli terrorist factions considered themselves to be freedom fighters and even were associated with the Likud Party that eventually had Menachim Begin elected as the PM of Israel. A lot of similarities between Hamas and those factions.
So now you have more justifications for the Oct.7 terrorist attack which, you previously said that you condemn. But this time you are resorting to "whataboutism". Your hollow worded condemnation of Oct.7 is getting weaker and weaker and is now bordering on laughable. Why don't you just cut to the chase right now and say that you praise hamas for Oct.7, instead of just inching your way there.
 

Klatuu

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So now you have more justifications for the Oct.7 terrorist attack which, you previously said that you condemn. But this time you are resorting to "whataboutism". Your hollow worded condemnation of Oct.7 is getting weaker and weaker and is now bordering on laughable. Why don't you just cut to the chase right now and say that you praise hamas for Oct.7, instead of just inching your way there.
Amateurish deflection.
 
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These pro Palestine fools are so tiresome. Like how hard is it to understand that:
1. Palestinians want the entire river to the sea territory.
Of course you think Palestinians are evil because you think they want what Israel has already taken. Every accusation is a confession.
 

Frankfooter

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It appears to be from numbers reported the day of the election, long before the votes were all counted.

Of course, determining how many 2020 Biden voters changed their vote or didn't vote can't be done from just counting how many fewer votes Harris got.
The closest we will get to such a number will probably be later this year when Pew does a validated voter count breakdown.
And even then that will be an estimate.
Yes, and right now there are a number of estimates, from 12 million to 6 million people who voted for Biden in 2020 decided not to vote at all in 2024.
If 29% of those didn't vote because of Gaza, as that poll found, that's enough to win the election for the dems.

Why do you even refuse to consider this?
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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12 million more people voted for Biden than Harris. 29% of those who chose not to vote and had voted for Biden said Gaza was their #1 reason.
Its crazy that you don't think the one issue that caused the most protests since BLM would even affect an election that was within 1 or 2%.
You are inventing numbers here. Where did you get the 12M?
Biden got 81M votes.
Harris got 75M votes.
The difference is 6M.
 

Frankfooter

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You are inventing numbers here. Where did you get the 12M?
Biden got 81M votes.
Harris got 75M votes.
The difference is 6M.
Newsweek, where are you getting your numbers?

Even if the difference was 6 million, 29% of that wins the election.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Newsweek, where are you getting your numbers?

Even if the difference was 6 million, 29% of that wins the election.
You are assuming the 6M difference comprises solely of voters who voted for Biden in 2020.
But regardless of that, the question here is if the 29% who voted for someone else because of Gaza made the right choice.
So, did they?
 

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You are assuming the 6M difference comprises solely of voters who voted for Biden in 2020.
But regardless of that, the question here is if the 29% who voted for someone else because of Gaza made the right choice.
So, did they?
Of course I am assuming that. 6 million more people voted for Biden than Harris. Turnout in general was down 3.8%. People couldn't stand either choice.
And that poll asked people who voted for Biden in the last election why they didn't vote in 2024, with 29% saying Gaza was reason #1. That was the largest reason in that poll.

 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Of course I am assuming that. 6 million more people voted for Biden than Harris. Turnout in general was down 3.8%. People couldn't stand either choice.
And that poll asked people who voted for Biden in the last election why they didn't vote in 2024, with 29% saying Gaza was reason #1. That was the largest reason in that poll.
That isn't the question though.
Whatever the number, did the 29% make the right choice when they chose to not vote for Harris given Trump is pushing ethnic cleansing?
 

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That isn't the question though.
Whatever the number, did the 29% make the right choice when they chose to not vote for Harris given Trump is pushing ethnic cleansing?
Valcazar and I had long discussions about this during the run up to the election.
You want to blame voters instead of blaming politicians for taking stands that voters couldn't support.
There were polls saying 80% of dems backed a ceasefire.

So the question should be asked of Biden/Harris, was supporting a genocide worth losing the election and putting trump in power?
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Valcazar and I had long discussions about this during the run up to the election.
You want to blame voters instead of blaming politicians for taking stands that voters couldn't support.
There were polls saying 80% of dems backed a ceasefire.

So the question should be asked of Biden/Harris, was supporting a genocide worth losing the election and putting trump in power?
Those are the choices you have.
Harris and Trump.
Who is better for the Palestinians?
The guy pushing ethnic cleansing or the one who was perceived to be not doing enough for Israel?
This is about Palestinians and Muslims in the US and what is good for them.
 

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Those are the choices you have.
Harris and Trump.
Who is better for the Palestinians?
The guy pushing ethnic cleansing or the one who was perceived to be not doing enough for Israel?
This is about Palestinians and Muslims in the US and what is good for them.
If there is a choice between a hitler lite and a hitler the hitler will always win because some people cannot stomach voting for any form of hitler.

For people who back 'never again' (and not shack's Kahane definition), that is a moral red line you can never cross. You cannot morally vote for genocide in any form, even if the choice is between a year long genocide and the possibility of a bigger genocide, you just can't vote for genocide.

Why is that hard to understand?
 

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If there is a choice between a hitler lite and a hitler the hitler will always win because some people cannot stomach voting for any form of hitler.

For people who back 'never again' (and not shack's Kahane definition), that is a moral red line you can never cross. You cannot morally vote for genocide in any form, even if the choice is between a year long genocide and the possibility of a bigger genocide, you just can't vote for genocide.

Why is that hard to understand?
Its hard to understand because you are basically saying that you would now allow a complete and total genocide by Hitler because you hate what Hitler lite did.
If this is the kind of decision making Palestinians are going to make, then am afraid they will never succeed in achieving statehood.
Apart from the symbolic victories at the UN that no one is going to enforce.
 

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Its hard to understand because you are basically saying that you would now allow a complete and total genocide by Hitler because you hate what Hitler lite did.
If this is the kind of decision making Palestinians are going to make, then am afraid they will never succeed in achieving statehood.
Apart from the symbolic victories at the UN that no one is going to enforce.
If they wanted statehood they would’ve had statehood. What they want is destruction of Israel.
 

Frankfooter

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Its hard to understand because you are basically saying that you would now allow a complete and total genocide by Hitler because you hate what Hitler lite did.
If this is the kind of decision making Palestinians are going to make, then am afraid they will never succeed in achieving statehood.
Apart from the symbolic victories at the UN that no one is going to enforce.
This wasn't a decision made by Palestinians, they didn't decide to be occupied, ruled through apartheid or suffer genocide.
This was a choice made by Biden and Harris, now they have to live with the guilt of genocide and the destruction of the US under trump.

Why do you blame voters instead of Biden and Harris?
 
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Frankfooter

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If they wanted statehood they would’ve had statehood. What they want is destruction of Israel.
Every accusation is a confession.
Israel has wiped Palestine off the maps and the world demands Israel end the occupation, pay restitution and stand trial.
 
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