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For the People Who Said not to Vote for Harris/The Dems Because of Gaza

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This source confirms it:




They were under reported all along as it DID NOT INCLUDE those killed in the rubble from the bombings. The Aljazeera source specifies the ones found in the rubble and those missing..... presumably dead!!

Accept the facts for once!!
Accept that you are taking the word of a discredited source at face value.

I always viewed better of you. I guess that I was wrong.
 
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It only states that there "COULD BE 186,000 deaths, not as you alleged that there are saying that there "WERE OVER 200,000 deaths".
It was only an estimate in the worst case scenario. JEEZ, how you take it out of context!!
So they were wrong in their estimations then?...At that was 7 months ago too.

Are they correct now?...Is the School of Hygiene( man that's funny) correct on this on?

What does a School of Hygiene base this off of anyways...
 
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bver_hunter

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Name a way for Israel to defend itself that would be better than that. Be specific.
Don't they have ground troops to go in and take out Hamas, rather than what they have been doing all along with indiscriminately bombing buildings and hospitals that have citizens and patients?
 
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Don't they have ground troops to go in and take out Hamas, rather than what they have been doing all along with indiscriminately bombing buildings and hospitals that have citizens and patients?
I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that you have not served a day in the army and probably were not even in a fistfight where punches were thrown.
Do you understand that when an army wants to enter a hospital it should be easily able to enter a hospital. And if it needs days to enter the hospital, it means it’s not a hospital. It’s a fortress. It’s not defended by janitors and nurses. It’s defended by Hamas.
 

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So they were wrong in their estimations then?...At that was 7 months ago too.

Are they correct now?...Is the School of Hygiene( man that's funny) correct on this on?

What does a School of Hygiene base this off of anyways...
I showed you the actual links where they came up with the figure of 60,000 + victims.
But you stating that they they claimed that there are over 200,000 deaths was false, when all they stated that there COULD BE around 186,000 as many Palestinians were unaccounted for.
Maybe some of these Palestinians were found to be safe.
 
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bver_hunter

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Accept that you are taking the word of a discredited source at face value.

I always viewed better of you. I guess that I was wrong.
What are you waffling about. I thought that you do go by the facts, but you it seems that you cannot accept it.
You are out of date!!
 

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I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that you have not served a day in the army and probably were not even in a fistfight where punches were thrown.
Do you understand that when an army wants to enter a hospital it should be easily able to enter a hospital. And if it needs days to enter the hospital, it means it’s not a hospital. It’s a fortress. It’s not defended by janitors and nurses. It’s defended by Hamas.
OMG, where do you get such hypothesis from? Which hospitals were fortresses? Apparently, one hospital had a tunnel, that does not mean the ones that were destroyed had anything to do with those tunnels!!


Maybe you should make a Fairy Tale Movie out of such a Fantasy story of yours!!
 
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OMG, where do you get such hypothesis from? Which hospitals were fortresses? Apparently, one hospital had a tunnel, that does not mean the ones that were destroyed had anything to do with those tunnels!!


Maybe you should make a Fairy Tale Movie out of such a Fantasy story of yours!!
Okay I can’t anymore. You don’t realize how low you fall. I’ve noticed that somewhere above you put tunnels in quotation marks. As if the tunnel don’t exist. As if hostages that have just been exchanged did not come from the tunnelsjist as Hamas in uniform around them with AK-47s. Do you think they came from a villa in Dubai? Do you think that Israeli army in Gaza is not looking for hostages? You are a sad example of a westerner who allowed Islam his propaganda to brainwash you.
Islamists understand that the west is full of beta cucks who have not ever served, have no clue what urban combat is, and how hard it is to fight in a place like gaza which is probably the hardest most treacherous landscape that one can think of where civilians and Hamas are both against you.
Facts are:
The percentage of civilian deaths in modern urban warfare varies widely depending on the conflict, but historically, civilians have made up a significant portion of casualties. Here are some key points:
1. General Estimates
• In World War II, civilian deaths were about 50% of total casualties.
• In modern urban conflicts, the percentage is often higher, sometimes reaching 70–90%.
2. Recent Conflicts
• Iraq War (2003–2011): Estimates suggest around 60–70% of casualties were civilians.
• Syrian Civil War: Some estimates suggest 80–90% of total deaths have been civilians.


So all your numbers mean nothing since you cannot prove that gaza numbers in terms of % are significantly worse or even worse at all. 40k or 60 k total dead still can be reasonable if a half or even 30-40% are hamas which is entirely possible. So it does not prove indiscriminate bombing nor indiscriminate shelling, or anything like that whatsoever.
I’m saying that they’re being as good and careful as they reasonably could be and you cannot disprove that.
When you let yourself believe that, Israeli army kills children on purpose, you allowed yourself to be a dupe of Islamism. You may not have realized it but you joined team Hamas. Which among other things means that I have to put you on ignore so I may be missing your messages, but I’ll check in from time to time.
 
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Minus the 20,000 hamas militia that are included in that total.

Who else would have been in the miles and miles and miles of fortified tunnels? They sure weren't letting Gazan civilians in there.
The original estimate were that there were only 20,000 Hamas, now you're saying Israel has killed them all?
So if that's true, why continue the genocide?

 
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So why do you disingenuously post that 47,000 died, making it sound like they were innocent casualties. And if you are counting 47K, and 20K of those were hamas, it is highly unlikely that they were mainly women and children. Of the 27K non-militia deaths, only 4K of those need to be adult males for the women and children to be a minority of the 47K dead. Sorry, you can't have it both ways.
You really shouldn't just make shit up like that, it makes you look foolish. Posting your opinion with nothing to back it up means you want us to accept us to take the opinion of a Kahanist who doesn't believe any sources but the IDF, a guy who backs a war criminal as if the war criminal is the only expert on how many people he's killed.

Accept that you are taking the word of a discredited source at face value.

I always viewed better of you. I guess that I was wrong.
There are 61,000 civilians killed by Israel, with likely another couple of hundred who will die from injuries, starvation and disease at the hands of the genocidal Israel.
Even trump thinks there are 600,000 dead.



 
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So they were wrong in their estimations then?...At that was 7 months ago too.

Are they correct now?...Is the School of Hygiene( man that's funny) correct on this on?

What does a School of Hygiene base this off of anyways...
The Israeli 972 magazine details how Palestinians were vapourized and gassed to death using 1,000 lb american bombs.
You think its easy to count the dead when the entire area is reduced to rubble and there is no heavy machinery allowed to rescue survivors or bodies?
You think its easy to count the dead when there are only parts of bodies left buried in rubble?




 
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Frankfooter

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Okay I can’t anymore. You don’t realize how low you fall. I’ve noticed that somewhere above you put tunnels in quotation marks. As if the tunnel don’t exist. As if hostages that have just been exchanged did not come from the tunnelsjist as Hamas in uniform around them with AK-47s. Do you think they came from a villa in Dubai? Do you think that Israeli army in Gaza is not looking for hostages? You are a sad example of a westerner who allowed Islam his propaganda to brainwash you.
Islamists understand that the west is full of beta cucks who have not ever served, have no clue what urban combat is, and how hard it is to fight in a place like gaza which is probably the hardest most treacherous landscape that one can think of where civilians and Hamas are both against you.
Facts are:
The percentage of civilian deaths in modern urban warfare varies widely depending on the conflict, but historically, civilians have made up a significant portion of casualties. Here are some key points:
1. General Estimates
• In World War II, civilian deaths were about 50% of total casualties.
• In modern urban conflicts, the percentage is often higher, sometimes reaching 70–90%.
2. Recent Conflicts
• Iraq War (2003–2011): Estimates suggest around 60–70% of casualties were civilians.
• Syrian Civil War: Some estimates suggest 80–90% of total deaths have been civilians.


So all your numbers mean nothing since you cannot prove that gaza numbers in terms of % are significantly worse or even worse at all. 40k or 60 k total dead still can be reasonable if a half or even 30-40% are hamas which is entirely possible. So it does not prove indiscriminate bombing nor indiscriminate shelling, or anything like that whatsoever.
I’m saying that they’re being as good and careful as they reasonably could be and you cannot disprove that.
When you let yourself believe that, Israeli army kills children on purpose, you allowed yourself to be a dupe of Islamism. You may not have realized it but you joined team Hamas. Which among other things means that I have to put you on ignore so I may be missing your messages, but I’ll check in from time to time.
You keep telling yourself that dropping 6 Hiroshima's worth of explosives on 2 million refugees living in a walled in concentration camp was justified.
good luck


 
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The Oracle

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The Israeli 972 magazine details how Palestinians were vapourized and gassed to death using 1,000 lb american bombs.
You think its easy to count the dead when the entire area is reduced to rubble and there is no heavy machinery allowed to rescue survivors or bodies?
Was Oct 7th worth it?
 
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bver_hunter

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Okay I can’t anymore. You don’t realize how low you fall. I’ve noticed that somewhere above you put tunnels in quotation marks. As if the tunnel don’t exist. As if hostages that have just been exchanged did not come from the tunnelsjist as Hamas in uniform around them with AK-47s. Do you think they came from a villa in Dubai? Do you think that Israeli army in Gaza is not looking for hostages? You are a sad example of a westerner who allowed Islam his propaganda to brainwash you.
Islamists understand that the west is full of beta cucks who have not ever served, have no clue what urban combat is, and how hard it is to fight in a place like gaza which is probably the hardest most treacherous landscape that one can think of where civilians and Hamas are both against you.
Facts are:
The percentage of civilian deaths in modern urban warfare varies widely depending on the conflict, but historically, civilians have made up a significant portion of casualties. Here are some key points:
1. General Estimates
• In World War II, civilian deaths were about 50% of total casualties.
• In modern urban conflicts, the percentage is often higher, sometimes reaching 70–90%.
2. Recent Conflicts
• Iraq War (2003–2011): Estimates suggest around 60–70% of casualties were civilians.
• Syrian Civil War: Some estimates suggest 80–90% of total deaths have been civilians.


So all your numbers mean nothing since you cannot prove that gaza numbers in terms of % are significantly worse or even worse at all. 40k or 60 k total dead still can be reasonable if a half or even 30-40% are hamas which is entirely possible. So it does not prove indiscriminate bombing nor indiscriminate shelling, or anything like that whatsoever.
I’m saying that they’re being as good and careful as they reasonably could be and you cannot disprove that.
When you let yourself believe that, Israeli army kills children on purpose, you allowed yourself to be a dupe of Islamism. You may not have realized it but you joined team Hamas. Which among other things means that I have to put you on ignore so I may be missing your messages, but I’ll check in from time to time.
Load of drivel in your above post. You cannot comprehend that I stated the tunnels were found in 1 hospital!!
Hamas has built tunnels but not In all hospitals. Remember that Hamas does not have the Air Force etc that Israel has.
Gave you the war casualties from The Palestinian side. But You are being retarded when one is concerned about the indiscriminate killings of the Palestinian civilians mainly women and children and then saying that I joined "Team Hamas"!! Why is it that majority of the Nations around the world including several G7 Nations are saying the same about the killings?
Maybe you think that they are part of "Team Hamas"...... you need help!!
We have seen Israelis demonstrating all over their country calling for an end to the conflict and the return of their hostages. But that evil guy called Netanyahu who is supported by the far right wants no end to the conflict and does not give a bat shit about the lives lost just like you!!
I will put you on ignore as well, as you cannot have a discussion in a civil manner!!
 
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Answer Oracle's question instead of running away.

You can't bring yourself to admit that it was stupid. Maybe the lost lives and destruction of Gaza are insignificant compared to Israel's bad PR.
I think the occupation, blockade, apartheid and genocide were all incredibly stupid and incredibly evil.
You think it was smart of Israel to drop bombs on their own people to justify genocide.

 
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I think the occupation, blockade, apartheid and genocide were all incredibly stupid and incredibly evil.
You think it was smart of Israel to drop bombs on their own people to justify genocide.

Repeatedly spamming the same screenshot while lying about what is says doesn't make you look good.
 
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