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For the People Who Said not to Vote for Harris/The Dems Because of Gaza

shack

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Was the occupation of Palestine worth it?
Was apartheid worth it?
Was the blockade worth it?
Was the genocide worth it?
Answer Oracle's question instead of running away.

You can't bring yourself to admit that it was stupid. Maybe the lost lives and destruction of Gaza are insignificant compared to Israel's bad PR.
 
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The Oracle

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And they are being kicked out or barred in dozens of jurisdictions. They're as much of a legitimate news source as Pravda and National Enquirer.
20 years ago this was an accepted fact. It's strange how the anti-Semitic team have been able to forward their legitimacy lately. I blame social media for that.
 
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20 years ago this was an accepted fact. It's strange how the anti-Semitic team have been able to forward their legitimacy lately. I blame social media for that.
And aided by the fact that anti-Semitism, that has been around forever and is rampant, includes those that are eager to lap it up because it feeds their hatred. Not necessarily because the media convinces them how to think.
 
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They're funded by Qatar...Same place where all the Hamas royalty in living...Hmmm...Wonder what's going on there.
This source confirms it:

The number of people killed in Gaza is significantly higher than the figure reported by authorities in the enclave, a peer-reviewed study by researchers from a leading health research university in the UK has found.

According to findings announced by the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine (LSHTM) and published in The Lancet journal, there were an estimated 64,260 “traumatic injury deaths” in Gaza between October 7, 2023 and June 30, 2024. The Palestinian Ministry of Health in Gaza put the figure at 37,877 at the time.

This means the ministry has underreported the death toll due to violence by approximately 41%, the researchers found. As of October, the number of Gazans killed by violence was thought to exceed 70,000, the study said, based on the estimated underreporting rate.

The total death toll attributable to Israel’s military campaign is likely to be higher still, it said, as its analysis doesn’t account for deaths caused by disruption to health care, insufficient food, clean water and sanitation, and disease outbreaks.

The health ministry’s figure stood at 45,885 on January 7. A further 109,196 have been injured. In general, the ministry reaches its figures by counting the corpses of those killed.

They were under reported all along as it DID NOT INCLUDE those killed in the rubble from the bombings. The Aljazeera source specifies the ones found in the rubble and those missing..... presumably dead!!

Accept the facts for once!!
 
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Valcazar

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You still have not explained as to why Trump needs to deploy the troops in that region and to force out the residents of Gaza!!
Is that not "Ethnic Cleansing"?
Yes, it is quite obviously ethnic cleansing.

“The Gaza Strip would be turned over to the United States by Israel at the conclusion of fighting,” he said. Palestinians “would have already been resettled in far safer and more beautiful communities, with new and modern homes, in the region.” He added: “No soldiers by the U.S. would be needed!”
Trump would certainly like someone else to do the ethnic cleansing for him, sure.
But he said he would deploy troops if necessary, so this is just more of his optimistic "it will all work out in a way I won't have to spend a lot of money or effort" talk.
 

bver_hunter

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Minus the 20,000 hamas militia that are included in that total.

Who else would have been in the miles and miles and miles of fortified tunnels? They sure weren't letting Gazan civilians in there.
Even if you deduct the 20,000 Hamas Militants, the new figures are around 62,000 - 20,000 of those militants that still makes it around 42,000 mainly women and children!!
These were from residential buildings, businesses and hospital victims!!
 
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The Oracle

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This source confirms it:




They were under reported all along as it DID NOT INCLUDE those killed in the rubble from the bombings. The Aljazeera source specifies the ones found in the rubble and those missing..... presumably dead!!

Accept the facts for once!!
''According to findings announced by the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine (LSHTM) and published in The Lancet journal''

The School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine?..C'mon...LOL

And published in The Lancet...I thought The Lancet were saying there was over 200,000 deaths at one point.

Now they've scaled it back?...Do you even consider your sources at all?...
 
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Even if you deduct the 20,000 Hamas Militants, the new figures are around 62,000 - 20,000 of those militants that still makes it around 42,000 mainly women and children!!
These were from residential buildings, businesses and hospital victims!!
Better them than Israelis 🤷‍♀️
 
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bver_hunter

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So why do you disingenuously post that 47,000 died, making it sound like they were innocent casualties. And if you are counting 47K, and 20K of those were hamas, it is highly unlikely that they were mainly women and children. Of the 27K non-militia deaths, only 4K of those need to be adult males for the women and children to be a minority of the 47K dead. Sorry, you can't have it both ways.
You are out of date as the latest figure is around 62,000 though some are still estimating it to be closer to 70,000. Those that perished in the rubble from the residential buildings, businesses etc that could not be accounted as the residents had to flee from these bombings. Now that there is a ceasefire the latest is that the confirmed figures are near 62,000 deaths of mainly women and children. There are over 110,000 badly injured including those who have lost their limbs etc. But the number of children dead is close to 18,000. Get your facts right!!
 
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bver_hunter

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''According to findings announced by the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine (LSHTM) and published in The Lancet journal''

The School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine?..C'mon...LOL

And published in The Lancet...I thought The Lancet were saying there was over 200,000 deaths at one point.

Now they've scaled it back?...Do you even consider your sources at all?...
Show us where they stated that there were 200,000 deaths?
This is what they had estimated in the past:

The LSHTM study estimated 64,260 traumatic injury deaths in Gaza between 7 October 2023 and 30 June 2024 compared to the 37,877 reported by the Palestinian Ministry of Health.
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They were pretty spot on!!
 
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The Oracle

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Show us where they stated that there were 200,000 deaths?
This is what they had estimated in the past:



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They were pretty spot on!!
 
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bver_hunter

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It only states that there "COULD BE 186,000 deaths, not as you alleged that there are saying that there "WERE OVER 200,000 deaths".
It was only an estimate in the worst case scenario. JEEZ, how you take it out of context!!
 
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