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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Are you asserting Biden’s government was totally corruption free?
If some corruption was uncovered in Biden's administration, are you saying it gives the Trump administration carte blanche to be as corrupt as they are currently?
 

WyattEarp

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Fair enough. I was challenging Earp's assertion that Marxism has been shown to not work.

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Sorry, sometimes I don't make the distinction between Marx and Marxism.

Marx had important things to say. Marxism in practice has not really worked in practice.
I believe John Larue answered your question succinctly. The big Marxist players the Soviet Union and China expressed their inspiration was Karl Marx and of course they failed in their pursuit.

I correctly thought you were shooting for some type of acknowledgement that Marxism doesn't really purely exist. Such a pity that your set-up had such little payback.

The problem is that Marx was more of a political theorist and philosopher than an economist. His writings are more ideals than practical economics. As John noted, Marxist governments become beasts that feed on their own people. That is the inevitable and unfortunate result of aggressive government control over the economy. If you have a better understanding of Marxism and how it could work in practice, please share it.
 
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mandrill

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I always supported tariffs under Republican and Democratic administration alike. The U.S. has probably helped perpetuate a very harmful long-term path for the German and Chinese economies.

I don't know if I consider myself an expert in economics. I read a lot of impartial economists. My understanding of economics appears to be greater than most members. You can usually tell when someone is repeating something they just heard or whether they truly have a lot of knowledge.

You're obviously fishing around for some way to put me down without the need to have command of the subject.

PS- Don't sweat a constitutional amendment for a third-term. It's solely for entertainment.
We'll see.

Are the attempts to defund medicaid also "Solely for entertainment"?

How about the purges which appear to be happening in the civil service?

This isn't "politics as usual".
 

mandrill

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I am asserting that every single government since the first ape walked upright has had some form of corruption.

To assert that Biden’s government had no corruption is total absurdity.

I agree whataboutism is no ones friend.

So, are you asserting that Biden’s government was 100% corruption free?
No. The apes and monkeys are pure of mind and spirit. 🙈🙉🙊
 

mandrill

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Which suggests that the "3rd term" initiative might be meant seriously, albeit hopelessly incompetent and maladroit. Just like all else Trump's buddies have been doing for the past 3 weeks.
 
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mandrill

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I believe John Larue answered your question succinctly. The big Marxist players the Soviet Union and China expressed their inspiration was Karl Marx and of course they failed in their pursuit.

I correctly thought you were shooting for some type of acknowledgement that Marxism doesn't really purely exist. Such a pity that your set-up had such little payback.

The problem is that Marx was more of a political theorist and philosopher than an economist. His writings are more ideals than practical economics. As John noted, Marxist governments become beasts that feed on their own people. That is the inevitable and unfortunate result of aggressive government control over the economy. If you have a better understanding of Marxism and how it could work in practice, please share it.
Spare us the lecture on Politics 101. Thanks.

Your musings are at the level of "Guy in the corner at the pub after 4 beers".
 

WyattEarp

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Point me to the speech where Trump talks about how the tariffs will be used for targeted protection of local industry.
Would be happy to see it.
I'm not sure if you have really been following the politics of the tariff discussion.

So let's look at a recent Trump quote. He's been very clear on the matter.

“We are going to look at pharmaceuticals, drugs, we are going to look at chips, semiconductors and we are going to look at steel and some other industries and you are going to see things happening,” Trump told House Republicans. “The only way to get out of this is to build your plant — if you want to stop paying taxes or tariffs, build here in America.”
 

mandrill

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I'm not sure if you have really been following the politics of the tariff discussion.

So let's look at a recent Trump quote. He's been very clear on the matter.

“We are going to look at pharmaceuticals, drugs, we are going to look at chips, semiconductors and we are going to look at steel and some other industries and you are going to see things happening,” Trump told House Republicans. “The only way to get out of this is to build your plant — if you want to stop paying taxes or tariffs, build here in America.”
How long realistically would it take to rebuild the US steel industry or auto industry - while knowing all along that it will never again be internationally competitive with the Pacific Rim auto industries?

How deeply would you have to ass-fuck your own people with high, tariff-sustained prices to re build that industry?

And that same, carefully-rebuilt industry would immediately collapse again, as soon as the tariffs were lowered.

The West is post-industrial and service- oriented. I don't 100% like it either. But you won't change that reality by doing dumb shit like tariffs.
 
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mandrill

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Participate constructively or stay out of the discussion.

shack was conversing with me.
I think I memorized how the "Why didn't Marxism work out in the real world?" discussion went - by rote - around 1982. (Yes, I'm that old!).
 

WyattEarp

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How long realistically would it take to rebuild the US steel industry or auto industry - while knowing all along that it will never again be internationally competitive with the Pacific Rim auto industries?

How deeply would you have to ass-fuck your own people with high, tariff-sustained prices to re build that industry?

And that same, carefully-rebuilt industry would immediately collapse again, as soon as the tariffs were lowered.

The West is post-industrial and service- oriented. I don't 100% like it either. But you won't change that reality by doing dumb shit like tariffs.
I don't think the end game is to prop up any one industry. Rather the days of China, Germany, etc. running up enormous trade deficits and putting pressure on the global economy are coming to a head.

I think you're also forgetting the automobiles built by Japanese and German auto manufacturers in the U.S. are great cars.
 

southpaw

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Living paycheck to paycheck is becoming more common.
Indeed. I try to remember that when I drop 400 bucks for an hour of entertainment. Not everyone can.

Which is why they voted for Trump. What did they have to lose? Things can't get any worse than they were under Biden.
 
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JohnLarue

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So Right wing, alt-right, and Nazism are all the same. Got it.
no ... you don't got it

The Nazi were also all about suppression of freedoms and big government
They prioritized the state over individual rights
they also left a big pile of rotting corpses every where they went

NAZI National Socialist German Workers' Party.
And they could just not get along with other socialists
USSR Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
They had the biggest rumble in history to see who could be more evil.
Naturally the Socialist won and humanity lost

In Canada only 20 years ago one could proudly state " I have middle of the road common sense views , with a modest bias to support the social safety net and i am a proud liberal'
not now . its WTF? What did Justin Trudeau/ Gerald Butts do to my liberal party ?
when it should be WTF? What did Justin Trudeau/ Gerald Butts do to my country ?

there are no Alt-right in the Conservative party
Yet the liberals have a self proclaimed socialist/ anarchist and lunatic Little Stevie Guilbeault

I hope he likse the color orange because come October the SDTC files become unredacted
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southpaw

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In Canada only 20 years ago one could proudly state " I have middle of the road common sense views , with a modest bias to support the social safety net and i am a proud liberal'
How the fuck did you know what i said 20 years ago?
 
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JohnLarue

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So you are agreeing that when people assert that trump's gov't is corrupt, they are correct.
trump's gov't is 10 days old
are you privy to some corruption scandal nobody else knows about ?
including the alleged perpetrators of this corruption

or is this an another case of your biased views clouding you ability to think carefully?
be patient.... the Trump administration is still going through files with a yellow highlighter marking the democrats mistakes

be patient, some scandal will turn up for you to drool over and pretend you have moral superiority

why you wish for this is a bit of a mystery as the Trudeau govt has supplied you with countless scandals which you completely ignore
and those scandals impact you and your country directly

here is a fresh one for you
the foreign interference report came out today
either Trudeau lied under oath or Justice Hogue got it all wrong, there is no middle ground
and no one knows if their MP was compromised

you will be silent on this issue

you define hypocrisy
 
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