Donald Trumps Approval Ratings Soar

Valcazar

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C'mon.

It's basic math that the poor shoulder an unduly high tax burden with a non-progressive tax system. We all know this, Earp. That's why the billionaires all want to abolish income tax and replace it with consumption taxes.

And if I thought for a second that tariffing China and Mexico would bring the car factories back to Oshawa and Windsor, I'd support them. But those factories will never come back. All that'll happen is that the poor will pay 25% more for everything they buy and essentially support the government, while Soros and Musk'll pay no income tax.

It's a corrupt fuckover. Like everything Trump and the GOP do.
That's the funny thing, tariffs really can be used as part of an economic policy involved with protecting domestic production.
That's just not what Trump is selling. He has made it clear that they are there to replace income tax and to punish enemies. (We assume they are also there because they offer easy avenues for personal corruption, but that hasn't been the main argument he's been making.)
 

WyattEarp

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And yet elsewhere, you seem to be complaining that people are in favor of respecting legalistic processes.

Is it really as Mandrill accuses you of?
You only respect the legal processes you want to, and accuse people of being too respectful of them when it is convenient for you to do so?
That's an entirely different subject. A frivolous post wanted to know what I thought about a third-term.

As far as the Constitution's legalistic process, that is only relevant if you are making the opposing case that it should be easier to amend the Constitution foregoing the current process. Otherwise, you are simply being argumentative by comparing the amendment process with the interpretation of asylum and residency rights. The amendment process is unambiguous. The latter requires judges with varying degrees of interpretation.
 

WyattEarp

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That's the funny thing, tariffs really can be used as part of an economic policy involved with protecting domestic production.
That's just not what Trump is selling. He has made it clear that they are there to replace income tax and to punish enemies. (We assume they are also there because they offer easy avenues for personal corruption, but that hasn't been the main argument he's been making.)
That's not what I am hearing. Perhaps that's how someone is reporting it.
 

WyattEarp

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It will likely drop to about 32. Bottom line is, Canada is well below critical mass as a nation. If we had 100m ppl there would be no talk of annexation.
If you had a 100m ppl, there definitely would be no talk of annexation. We would be talking about the U.S. closing the Northern border.
 

shack

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The economy is not tough at all. The economy is awesome in the US. The millionaires and billionaires are thriving. It just does not trickle down...
I disagree. The trickle down effect is real.

When the millionaires and billionaires piss on the piles of people below them, you can be sure that that piss trickles all the way down.
 
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mandrill

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That's the funny thing, tariffs really can be used as part of an economic policy involved with protecting domestic production.
That's just not what Trump is selling. He has made it clear that they are there to replace income tax and to punish enemies. (We assume they are also there because they offer easy avenues for personal corruption, but that hasn't been the main argument he's been making.)
The production's gone. 30 years ago, I would have cheered tariffs on auto imports and other manufactured goods. Now it's stupid.
 
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WyattEarp

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Which countries do you believe practise Marxism?
Any political ideology is going to have various shades. North Korea is probably the closest to a form of Marxism. Cuba is changing very slowly but has been hostile to private ownership. The rest that might be considered have varying degrees of government control and authoritarianism.

I'm aware that authoritarian governments can be right wing or theological in nature.
 

shack

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Any political ideology is going to have various shades. North Korea is probably the closest to a form of Marxism. Cuba is changing very slowly but has been hostile to private ownership. The rest that might be considered have varying degrees of government control and authoritarianism.

I'm aware that authoritarian governments can be right wing or theological in nature.
So basically the sample size is extremely low with which to validate your premise that Marxism doesn't work.
 

WyattEarp

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So basically the sample size is extremely low with which to validate your premise that Marxism doesn't work.
I'm not sure what your point is.
 

mandrill

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Think!.... If Canada annexed California as the 11th province (or 4th territory), the US Army wouldn't have to come to Los Angeles to open up the giant faucet whencefrom all the "water from the north" flows - according to Trump. Canada would be able to keep it permanently open and flowing!!!

It's a win: win!!
 
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You got any proof that he's corrupt?
Is there really someone on here that honestly believes there was a government running the United States of America with a $7 Trillion budget with no corruption?

Wow, that is definitely a first (though a bit naive).
 

JohnLarue

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Can you explain what you mean by supply management in this context? Thanks.
sure
Canada's supply management system (SM) controls the production and importation of certain food products to ensure a steady supply of quality products for consumers. It also aims to ensure that producers receive a fair price for their products.
Dairy products , eggs, poultry, maple syrup i believe pork and likely some others are produced according to quotas

Pros: as mentioned a steady supply of quality products is available, ensures family farms remain economically viable

Cons: Canadian pay way more for these food items than Americans do ex exchange rate impacts,
over production is disposed of or diverted to some other low margin use (down the drain or into dog food I am guessing, storage for the maple syrup ) .
It is a barrier to US competitors - not free trade

The Quebec dairy farms sway a really disproportion amount of political influence on this issue
I do not know for sure, however I suspect there are some exceptionally rich Quebec framers .
Thus far they have managed to keep supply management intact in trade agreements
It is always a contentious issue , I believe the UK walked away from a trade deal for a while because of supply management
Quebec will fight tooth and nail against any changes to supply management

I know the Dairy framers in Wisconsin have called out Canada's supply management system and have Trumps ear, maple syrup producers in Vermont are none too happy about it either

It is likely a tiny fraction of rounding error wrt to US GDP , however it is not at all free trade and is an irritant for the US trade negotiators
I suspect Trump will want a win on this issue.
 
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squeezer

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That's an entirely different subject. A frivolous post wanted to know what I thought about a third-term.

As far as the Constitution's legalistic process, that is only relevant if you are making the opposing case that it should be easier to amend the Constitution foregoing the current process. Otherwise, you are simply being argumentative by comparing the amendment process with the interpretation of asylum and residency rights. The amendment process is unambiguous. The latter requires judges with varying degrees of interpretation.
A frivolous post yet you have a Congressman pushing it and a President asking about it, with a smile but that is how Canada becoming the 51st state started, it started as a joke and then he decided to try and make it happen through an economic war.

Additionally, I find it interesting that you now appear to support tariffs, making a case for them while also implying expertise in economics.
 
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JohnLarue

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So basically the sample size is extremely low with which to validate your premise that Marxism doesn't work.
just count the tens of millions of dead bodies in Russia, China, Cambodia etc, enslaved, worked to death or outright murdered by their own govt in the 20 century
that should provide you with a sufficient sample size

please do not bother trying to distinguish between communism , Marxism or socialism
The victims of the insanity do not care
rebrand the plan all you want, it does not work
 
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