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mandrill

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mandrill, I literally told you Canada is not the big fish in reshaping world trade. I do think North America will be better off as a whole if there is a new trade order.
Yeah, pay a 25% tariff or become a colony of America is a very kind offer.
I'm sorry if you feel Canada is being treated unfairly. However, we need to let the negotiators discuss things and see the results of their negotiations.

As far as your histrionics and put-downs, I am quite confident of my knowledge and understanding of economics. I think your understanding is strongly shaped by your politics that leads you to believe anything Trump initiates must be wrong.
I beg to differ, Earp.
 
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mandrill

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Actually you couldn't be more wrong. Rich Americans are going to have a higher propensity to consume imported goods. Many rich Americans work for multinational firms with large overseas footprints and as importantly have investments in these multinational firms.

The anti-tariff debate ignores any benefit to domestic manufacturing employment of which the working class is the main beneficiary. Even if you argue tariffs won't help employment at all, the increased government revenue can be used to offset other taxes on Americans.

The tariff debate is a dynamic discussion. Tariff opponents deliberately want people to view the tariffs in isolation as a cost without considering any other impact on the economy.
C'mon.

It's basic math that the poor shoulder an unduly high tax burden with a non-progressive tax system. We all know this, Earp. That's why the billionaires all want to abolish income tax and replace it with consumption taxes.

And if I thought for a second that tariffing China and Mexico would bring the car factories back to Oshawa and Windsor, I'd support them. But those factories will never come back. All that'll happen is that the poor will pay 25% more for everything they buy and essentially support the government, while Soros and Musk'll pay no income tax.

It's a corrupt fuckover. Like everything Trump and the GOP do.
 

richaceg

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So then what is the impact?
Financially and in terms of them encountering a migrant and having a bad experience?
Why are people who contribute the most into federal income tax, and who encounter migrants on a regular basis voting blue?
voting blue is not an indiication illegal immigration has no impact in the country or state...why do you think battleground states voted red? POlicies and Kamala has none... 😂 😂 😂 Trump won...and he's got a mandate...whether you like it or not...
 

mandrill

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Trump commerce chief pick Lutnick says he prefers across-the-board tariffs by country

Trump commerce chief pick Lutnick says he prefers across-the-board tariffs by country

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump's nominee to run the Commerce Department, Howard Lutnick, said on Wednesday that he has advised Trump to impose across-the-board tariffs country-by-country to restore trade reciprocity and fairness.

"My way of thinking, and I discussed this with the President, is country by country, macro," Lutnick told a U.S. Senate confirmation hearing when asked his preference for how Trump should impose tariffs.

"We are treated horribly by the global trading environment, they all have higher tariffs, non-tariff trade barriers and subsidies," Lutnick said. "They treat us poorly. We need to be treated better. We need to be treated with respect, and we can use tariffs to create reciprocity, fairness and respect."

Trump is so fucking senile and stupid that he took the tariff idea and jerked it off all over his pants before his Project 2025 shit goblin staffers had a chance to lie and bullshit enough about how wonderful tariffs actually are - (for the rich motherfuckers, of course).

But look for Trump to now attempt to break every trade treaty America has in an attempt to put up lunatic tariff barriers against every other country on the face of the fucking planet. 😦
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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voting blue is not an indiication illegal immigration has no impact in the country or state...why do you think battleground states voted red? POlicies and Kamala has none... 😂 😂 😂 Trump won...and he's got a mandate...whether you like it or not...
The battleground states are moderate and the Dems did not have the right candidate and the right messaging.
Voting blue definitely is an indication that the places with the most migrants, still do not see an issue with them.
That makes MAGA country with minimal to no migrants being anti-immigration a result of MAGA propaganda.
 

mandrill

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Didn't read a single complain from you when Joe Biden was running the country with his son...You think he's not corrupt?
You got any proof that he's corrupt?

Oh yeah, there's that crypto meme coin that he launched just before he took office and made 100's of millions $$$$ from. That was Biden, wasn't it?.....

Or was it someone else???
 

richaceg

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You got any proof that he's corrupt?

Oh yeah, there's that crypto meme coin that he launched just before he took office and made 100's of millions $$$$ from. That was Biden, wasn't it?.....

Or was it someone else???
 

danmand

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On a personal note: I have been away a couple of years, and I now find that I agree with Mandrill about everything.
One of us have become a lot smarter!
 

mandrill

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On a personal note: I have been away a couple of years, and I now find that I agree with Mandrill about everything.
One of us have become a lot smarter!
We both hate Trump.

It's like 2 lifelong enemies suddenly discovering they have the same taste in shoes, or something like that!
 

WyattEarp

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C'mon.

It's basic math that the poor shoulder an unduly high tax burden with a non-progressive tax system. We all know this, Earp. That's why the billionaires all want to abolish income tax and replace it with consumption taxes.

And if I thought for a second that tariffing China and Mexico would bring the car factories back to Oshawa and Windsor, I'd support them. But those factories will never come back. All that'll happen is that the poor will pay 25% more for everything they buy and essentially support the government, while Soros and Musk'll pay no income tax.

It's a corrupt fuckover. Like everything Trump and the GOP do.
It's not at all black & white as all that. There are some independent economists who make distinctions regarding how tariffs change domestic employment, wages and help countries with chronic trade deficits. I think some members were alluding to the trade deficit being the United States' own doing. This is an oversimplification. In our current trade system, some countries pursue aggressive mercantilist trade policies that rely on chronic surpluses to underpin their economies and growth. Since global trade is "double entry", every surplus requires a corresponding deficit. The U.S. is considered the consumer of last resort. I tagged the Google AI on this concept below. It's interesting to consider.

I don't want to be too critical, but your aggressive tone kind of leaves no room for tact and collegiality. I suspect most of your understanding of economics is fairly limited to headlines and what you read and hear in media. You probably are not getting nothing more than a superficial analysis that quotes a few go-to aligned economists to support the headline. The author of the piece might have nothing more than a journalism degree and work experience in journalism. Even some of the folks in our business media, could be described as talking heads without much genuine insight.

By the way, the tariffs are progressive taxes argument selectively ignores what the government could do with the revenues. This assumes no impact to domestic employment and the indirect benefit of lowering the fiscal deficit.
 

WyattEarp

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Per Google AI:
"The U.S. is the consumer of last resort" means that when other major economies around the world are struggling to consume goods and services, the United States acts as the primary market to absorb excess production, essentially acting as the final destination for global goods due to its large and robust consumer base; this role is often seen as a consequence of the U.S. dollar's dominance in international trade and the openness of the American market to foreign products.

Key points about the "consumer of last resort" concept:
  • Global impact:
    When other economies slow down, the U.S. consumer market can help stabilize global demand by purchasing goods from other countries, preventing a deeper economic downturn.
  • Trade imbalances:
    This role can sometimes lead to large trade deficits for the U.S. as it imports more goods than it exports to meet this global demand.
  • Economic vulnerability:
    While providing stability to the global economy, being the "consumer of last resort" can also leave the U.S. economy vulnerable to external shocks if consumer confidence weakens.
 

nottyboi

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I have to say, when I said Canada needs a population of at least 100m, and people said I was insane.. that was before Trump said he wanted to annex us. 😊👌👍
 

nottyboi

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We both hate Trump.

It's like 2 lifelong enemies suddenly discovering they have the same taste in shoes, or something like that!
Thats funny, I don't think Trump is great and dunno what to think of Trump 2.0 yet, but I would say the Biden admin to me is one of the most incompetent and disasterous administrations the world has seen and I feel WWIII was highly likely if Giggles Harris had won.
 

WyattEarp

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I have to say, when I said Canada needs a population of at least 100m, and people said I was insane.. that was before Trump said he wanted to annex us. 😊👌👍
Maybe annexation would help Canada reach that 100m mark. 🤔
 

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nottyboi

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Maybe annexation would help Canada reach that 100m mark. 🤔
It will likely drop to about 32. Bottom line is, Canada is well below critical mass as a nation. If we had 100m ppl there would be no talk of annexation.
 

Valcazar

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No, I actually said there is no support for it. I do not support it.

And yes, amending the Constitution is a formal "legalistic process". You and I can't really deny that. Trump or his supporters can talk about a third-term to their heart's content and it won't make a bit of a difference.
And yet elsewhere, you seem to be complaining that people are in favor of respecting legalistic processes.

Is it really as Mandrill accuses you of?
You only respect the legal processes you want to, and accuse people of being too respectful of them when it is convenient for you to do so?

Did the election cause you to have dysphoria or are you someone borrowing Valcazar's handle for awhile?
Don't worry, Wyatt.
I'm the same ray of fucking sunshine I've always been.
 
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