"Iran cannot have nukes" Trump warns

[Valcazar]

Trump did not start or escalate any wars. You may want to check your facts.

Irrelevant to the claim you were making.
You said the fact Obama was at war every year in office made him a warmonger.
So was Trump.

If you want to introduce other criteria, go ahead.
Obama didn't start any wars.
Neither did Trump.

Obama escalated military action in a number of places.
So did Trump.

Trump also didn't deport as many people as Obama. I mean who knew Obama hated immigrants that much?

This has what to do with your claims about Obama's warmongering?

 

[Skoob]

There weren't wars already on when he started his term.
He then started wars.



Trump also increased drone attacks.
Are you suddenly against drone attacks?

Oh changing your narrative now! Lol! I thought Trump was a war monger and Obama was too nice to even be considered that?

btw I trust what the experts say how about you?

In 2008, many of Barack Obama’s supporters hoped he would bring the global war on terror to a close. Instead, he expanded it – and his successors have done nothing to change course
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/31/how-the-us-created-a-world-of-endless-war

For Obama, an Unexpected Legacy of Two Full Terms at War
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/...estled-with-protecting-nation-and-troops.html

There were ten times more air strikes in the covert war on terror during President Barack Obama’s presidency than under his predecessor, George W. Bush.
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.c...-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush/

 

[Skoob]

Irrelevant to the claim you were making.
You said the fact Obama was at war every year in office made him a warmonger.
So was Trump.

If you want to introduce other criteria, go ahead.
Obama didn't start any wars.
Neither did Trump.

Obama escalated military action in a number of places.
So did Trump.



This has what to do with your claims about Obama's warmongering?

The narrative has been that Obama was a peaceful president, while Trump is bringing about the end of the world.

If you can suspend your cognitive bias for a moment, you would see that Obama's record for war and immigration is much worse than Trump's.

Is that too difficult a concept for you to accept?

 

[Frankfooter]

Of course they would if they had the chance.

So why haven't they ever?
What would give them the chance in your mind?

 

[Frankfooter]

Thank you for the perfect justification for Israel having nukes.

Right, so you know Iran won't attack Israel.
But you still want war with Iran for some reason?

 

[shack]

But you still want war with Iran for some reason?

Putting totally false words into other people's mouths is how you routinely create unnecessary arguments.

Prove I want that using my quotes.

 

[shack]

So why haven't they ever?

You're the middle east expert. You tell us.

 

[Frankfooter]

Putting totally false words into other people's mouths is how you routinely create unnecessary arguments.

Prove I want that using my quotes.

That's what comes across from your posts.
You say you know Iran won't attack Israel but still post about them.
You're not interested in deescalation or treaties, apparently.

So go ahead, make yourself clear and say what you really think for once.

 

[Frankfooter]

You're the middle east expert. You tell us.

Every accusation is a confession, shack.
You back a country that is out to bomb and/or invade all its neighbours so think every other country is the same.

Just because Israel did this to its indigenous people doesn't mean that every other country is as evil.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1883877700928176556

 

[shack]

That's what comes across from your posts.

So, show those posts. Quote my posts to show that I want war with Iran.

Otherwise, as I said before, you are putting false words in my mouth.

 

[Frankfooter]

So, show those posts. Quote my posts to show that I want war with Iran.

Otherwise, as I said before, you are putting false words in my mouth.

Like this one from earlier today?

Of course they would if they had the chance.

 

[shack]

You back a country that is out to bomb and/or invade all its neighbours so think every other country is the same.

So you haven't produced one quote to prove that I want war with Iran. LOL.

 

[Frankfooter]

So you haven't produced one quote to prove that I want war with Iran. LOL.

fine, this is what you wrote in this thread about Iran.

Israel has been under an existential threat since its' conception and until every one of its' neighbours acknowledges in writing that they they recognize Israel's right to exist.

Even still, Israel must prepare its' readiness to defend itself as if no such acknowledgements were ever made. That is Israel's lot. They can never let their guard down.

One lapse in readiness could mean their extinction. They actually got lucky with the failure of Oct. 7.

The ICJ, nor anyone else, is qualified to speak as to how much Israel values its' own existence.

 

[shack]

fine, this is what you wrote in this thread about Iran.

To say that "Israel must maintain its' defense system", is nowhere close to saying that "shack wants war".

You made false claims about what I said.

 

[Frankfooter]

To say that "Israel must maintain its' defense system", is nowhere close to saying that "shack wants war".

You made false claims about what I said.

Its right there, shack.
It reads like you think the world is out to get zionists so zionists are right to take everyone out before they can.
Every accusation is a confession.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1883852345706246268

 

[shack]

Its right there, shack.
It reads like you think the world is out to get zionists so zionists are right to take everyone out before they can.
Every accusation is a confession.

You are wrong. To say Israel needs a good defence is very, very different than saying I, shack, want a war with Iran.

Every country, including Canada needs a defense system. Are you saying that I want a war with the U.S. Your argument is completely flawed and can be construed as nothing more than you being argumentative and attempting to goad me into an argument. I ain't biting.

Instead of trying to read my mind, just find a post where I said "I want a war with Iran." Because that is what you claim I said.

 

[Frankfooter]

You are wrong. To say Israel needs a good defence is very, very different than saying I, shack, want a war with Iran.

Every country, including Canada needs a defense system. Are you saying that I want a war with the U.S. Your argument is completely flawed and can be construed as nothing more than you being argumentative and attempting to goad me into an argument. I ain't biting.

Instead of trying to read my mind, just find a post where I said "I want a war with Iran." Because that is what you claim I said.

I asked a question, I didn't make a statement.
Then I backed up that question with posts where you justify Israel attacking other countries in a thread about Iran.

Either say directly you do or don't want a war or stop attacking me for asking questions that you clearly won't answer.
Its like asking you where the borders of Israel lie.
Or asking if you think Palestinians have human rights.
Or if the UN statement that the occupation of Palestine is illegal is legit.
Or even asking you if you support peace.

You won't answer.

 

[Valcazar]

Oh changing your narrative now! Lol! I thought Trump was a war monger and Obama was too nice to even be considered that?

When did I say that?

You're the one who brought in Trump and Obama's record back in post 101.

Really?
How many wars did he start while in office?
Now compare that to his predecessor.

I'll wait...

I pointed out that they both started zero wars.

I never said Trump was a war monger and Obama was too nice to even be considered that.
I never brought up Obama's "niceness" at all.
Why would I?

btw I trust what the experts say how about you?

I'm quite fond of experts.

In 2008, many of Barack Obama’s supporters hoped he would bring the global war on terror to a close. Instead, he expanded it – and his successors have done nothing to change course
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/31/how-the-us-created-a-world-of-endless-war

Good find!
This is excellent stuff by your expert.

"Then Trump went on to repeat the very same pirouette from anti-war candidate to endless war president that Obama had performed."

[...]

"By comparison, Trump’s augmentation of the military budget (which he constantly bragged about), his escalation of the use of the Special Forces even beyond the high-water mark Obama reached, and his expansion of the drone empire with ever more strikes, encountered little bipartisan complaint. After all, it was just the policy of the prior two presidents, only more so."

And so on.

It's a good read, and supports my point quite strongly.

For Obama, an Unexpected Legacy of Two Full Terms at War
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/...estled-with-protecting-nation-and-troops.html

No problem with this one either.
I think you posted it earlier.

Again, nothing that contradicts what I've been saying.

There were ten times more air strikes in the covert war on terror during President Barack Obama’s presidency than under his predecessor, George W. Bush.
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.c...-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush/

Indeed there were.
The whole shift to covert missions and air strikes was a big thing that happened under Obama.
The US's record since 9/11 hasn't been anything to brag about.

Tens of thousands of civilians likely killed by US in ‘Forever Wars’

Airwars tally offers assessment of the direct civilian impact of 20 years of US strikes

airwars.org

And Trump loved him some air strikes.

Trump's 100 days: US air campaign hammers Yemen with almost a strike…

US jets and drones have carried out 85 strikes in Yemen since Donald Trump's inauguration, more than in all of 2015 and 2016 combined.

www.thebureauinvestigates.com

" More US strikes have hit Yemen in President Donald Trump's first 100 days in office than in all of 2015 and 2016 combined, "

US air wars under Trump: increasingly indiscriminate, increasingly opaque

Lack of transparency over looser rules of engagement is hallmark of administration, writes Julian Borger

www.theguardian.com

Trump relaxed the whole "try not to kill civilians" thing, too.

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2020/Rising%20Civilian%20Death%20Toll%20in%20Afghanistan_Costs%20of%20War_Dec%207%202020.pdf

Civilian Deaths by US President in Iraq and Syria

The United States and its 13 kinetic allies – part of an international alliance usually known as the Coalition – began an extensive air and artillery campaign against so-called Islamic State in August 2014, after the terror group had occupied large parts of of Iraq and Syria. By the end of...

airwars.org

Civilian Deaths by US President in Somalia

President George W. Bush began a long running and controversial campaign against Islamist terrorists in Somalia, which his successors then continued. Drone strikes and other actions were conducted both by the US military and by the CIA. By the end of President Trump’s term in office in 2021...

airwars.org

 

[shack]

I asked a question, I didn't make a statement.
Then I backed up that question with posts where you justify Israel attacking other countries in a thread about Iran.

Either say directly you do or don't want a war or stop attacking me for asking questions that you clearly won't answer.
Its like asking you where the borders of Israel lie.
Or asking if you think Palestinians have human rights.
Or if the UN statement that the occupation of Palestine is illegal is legit.
Or even asking you if you support peace.

You won't answer.

But you still want war with Iran for some reason?

Your statement was that I've previously wanted war and that I still want war. ("Do you still beat your wife? is also just a question.) The question was wondering what my reasons were. I've never stated that I want war and you can't find anywhere that I've stated as such. That is the only response you require.

This thread is about trump and Iranian nukes. Your post is totally off topic.

 

[Valcazar]

The narrative has been that Obama was a peaceful president, while Trump is bringing about the end of the world.

If you can suspend your cognitive bias for a moment, you would see that Obama's record for war and immigration is much worse than Trump's.

Is that too difficult a concept for you to accept?

Yes, because it is wrong.
They both have a pretty shitty record for both.
"Obama's is much worse than Trump's" is pretty clearly wrong by the data.