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POS NATION has no intention of abiding by ceasefire

WyattEarp

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Bidens people and the Qataris did the legwork and the threat of trump's unpredictability helped seal the deal. Is it so hard to admit both played a role?
Please try not to make a cold jump into a discussion with a prejudicial perspective.

This is what I actually said below. I didn't say the Biden Administration didn't deserve credit.

If Trump's election influenced Bibi's negotiating stance, we can't really give the Biden Administration total credit. We can just honestly say U.S. Presidents have a lot of influence with Israel.

You don't have to worry Shaq. They're not going to give Trump the Nobel Peace Prize. ;)
I will add that from my perspective a ceasefire is a great step. It is however not as complex a negotiation as a more definitive peace deal. It's only a cessation of hostilities for a short period of time, some hostage/prisoner swaps and importantly aid can flow safely into Gaza. Phase 2 is more precarious.
 

Klatuu

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IDF found all the places where hamas embedded themselves amongst civilian Gazans. It's good work by you displaying the devastation hamas brought upon the people whom they were supposed to defend but betrayed instead.

(y) (y) for your good work.
This answer tells you why Holocaust studies have no value.
 

basketcase

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Still promoting the idea that arresting people for cause is the same as kidnapping elderly and toddlers from their home simply for being Palestinian?
Wait, Israel does both.
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Bullshit.

Of the 200 people Hamas demanded get released tomorrow in exchange for 4 young women, 120 are serving life sentences and 80 serving lengthy sentences. Meanwhile Hamas still refuses to release the civilian woman and the two toddlers.
 

basketcase

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Still arguing that Israelis have the right to take Palestinian's hostage but not the other way around?
POW, hostage, prisoner, administrative detention.
Use whatever label you want, its all the same.
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Absolutely not the same and it is disgusting you are trying to argue they are.
POW - soldiers captured during a war. Active duty soldiers taken by Hamas on the 7th are POWs, the same as any Palestinian combatant found involved in fighting is a POW. Being an active member of the IDF or active member of Hamas/PIJ is cause for becoming a POW.
Hostages - the civilians Hamas/PIJ took are hostages plain and simple as described by the iCC, ICJ, UN, HRW, etc.
Prisoner - people who have been arrested and convicted for crimes they committed
Administrative detention - someone suspected of a crime which has not been proven in court.
Most of Hamas' hostages were hostages, not POWs or prisoners and most Palestinian's captured in Gaza are POWs.

And to repeat, the people Hamas is demanding be released are criminals serving lengthy sentences, not people found near fighters in Gaza.
 

Klatuu

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Absolutely not the same and it is disgusting you are trying to argue they are.
POW - soldiers captured during a war. Active duty soldiers taken by Hamas on the 7th are POWs, the same as any Palestinian combatant found involved in fighting is a POW. Being an active member of the IDF or active member of Hamas/PIJ is cause for becoming a POW.
Hostages - the civilians Hamas/PIJ took are hostages plain and simple as described by the iCC, ICJ, UN, HRW, etc.
Prisoner - people who have been arrested and convicted for crimes they committed
Administrative detention - someone suspected of a crime which has not been proven in court.
Most of Hamas' hostages were hostages, not POWs or prisoners and most Palestinian's captured in Gaza are POWs.

And to repeat, the people Hamas is demanding be released are criminals serving lengthy sentences, not people found near fighters in Gaza.
Racism
 
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Absolutely not the same and it is disgusting you are trying to argue they are.
POW - soldiers captured during a war. Active duty soldiers taken by Hamas on the 7th are POWs, the same as any Palestinian combatant found involved in fighting is a POW. Being an active member of the IDF or active member of Hamas/PIJ is cause for becoming a POW.
Hostages - the civilians Hamas/PIJ took are hostages plain and simple as described by the iCC, ICJ, UN, HRW, etc.
Prisoner - people who have been arrested and convicted for crimes they committed
Administrative detention - someone suspected of a crime which has not been proven in court.
Most of Hamas' hostages were hostages, not POWs or prisoners and most Palestinian's captured in Gaza are POWs.

And to repeat, the people Hamas is demanding be released are criminals serving lengthy sentences, not people found near fighters in Gaza.
Right, so even when Hamas releases IDF soldiers you think they are civilian victims and when Israel releases women, children and medical workers you think they are 'criminals'. Your racism is very clear on this issue, where you think there are no Palestinian civilians or innocents. That is a necessary belief to defend genocide.

Otherwise how do continue to defend this?

 
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