Trump to be sentenced on Jan. 10 on 34 charges, before his Jan. 20 inauguration

Valcazar

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O would love to see women having to register for selective service. It is, imo one of the final glass ceilings that need to be broken to show true equality between the sexes.

I have no doubt all feminists will support this........
I can't remember the last time I met a feminist who was opposed to this unless they were opposed to the selective service system existing at all for men or women.

Interesting point.

I'm kind of conservative in that I think some type of mandatory service should be required for all young people.
Selective service, of course, doesn't do anything other than note that you exist as a draftable person if a mandatory thing ever comes back.
It isn't even tied to things like federal loans and such anymore, if I recall. That's why they wanted to make it automatic instead of making people do it. (Since you can get penalized for not doing it, even if there is nothing reminding you to do so.)

As for an actual national service program, I've seen arguments on both sides for it and there is also all kinds of nuance about whether or not it has to be military service.
 

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I think it's an all in or all out thing. We got rid of it here. But in a way it's a form of slavery. Especially because the rich kids tend to always get deferment. But giving a govt the power to force its population to fight and die for something they don't believe in is about as anti freedom as it gets.

They found that out the hard way in Vietnam how useless a fighting force you get.
Vietnam wasn't lost because of the effectiveness of the American fighting force. Coming off the U.S. experience in Korea, the U.S. thought it could replicate their limited success in that conflict. In retrospect, the Republic of Korea (South Korea) now looks like a major success.

Anyway, nation building as it is now called is extremely difficult as we have seen again in Afghanistan. It doesn't have anything to do with the military prowess of the occupier/nation builder.
 

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It will be implemented in the USA in the not too distant future. The only reason to now cave in to Trump, is for the following reason:


Now that Zuckerberg has become an ass kisser, Trump has confirmed it based on his threats!!
Ah yes, when someone decides they are not supporting the Democrats any longer and decide to support Trump, they are suddenly a [insert derogatory name here].

Got it.
 

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Ah yes, when someone decides they are not supporting the Democrats any longer and decide to support Trump, they are suddenly a [insert derogatory name here].

Got it.
Not so long ago the righties on this Board were accusing the George Soros donations to the Democrats as "Highly Corrupt". But the Musk, Zuckerberg and other Corporate Heads financial assistance to Trump pales in comparison. That is even considering awarding Musk a position in his Government. Trump is even okay with Musk purchasing TikTok. A possible violation of ethics and real corruption!!
 
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Not so long ago the righties on this Board were accusing the George Soros donations to the Democrats as "Highly Corrupt". But the Musk, Zuckerberg and other Corporate Heads financial assistance to Trump pales in comparison. That is even considering awarding Musk a position in his Government. Trump is even okay with Musk purchasing TikTok. A possible violation of ethics and real corruption!!
What does all that have to do with lefties supporting people until those people decide they prefer to support Trump, then the lefties demonize them?
 
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Trump's revenge tour commences on one of his own. Imagine that, Biden allows Bolton to keep his security detail yet, Trump yanks it away. Hmmmm, I guess God will have to save Bolton from a bullet as he did for Trump placing it into the fireman instead of Trumputin.

Hear what Bolton thinks Trump pulling Secret Service detail means for him
 

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What does all that have to do with lefties supporting people until those people decide they prefer to support Trump, then the lefties demonize them?
Did not the righties demonize the Democrats with this Soros crap in the past? Now that Trump is getting these richest oligarchs to donate heavily to his team, and even encourage Musk to dish out cash to his supporters during the campaign that would have been considered to be bribery under normal campaign regulations. Of course with the Republicans controlling both the House and Senate, this will not be investigated!!
 

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Just a bunch of incompetent dummies in his cabinet with no experience.
The Whitehouse will be a Comedy Circle in the next four years with the fastest revolving door among any other Governments in History!!
That's the point.
They got someone from the Project 2025 team to write a bunch of EO's.
Likely trump has no idea what he signed.

This one will be unpopular.

 
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Did not the righties demonize the Democrats with this Soros crap in the past? Now that Trump is getting these richest oligarchs to donate heavily to his team, and even encourage Musk to dish out cash to his supporters during the campaign that would have been considered to be bribery under normal campaign regulations. Of course with the Republicans controlling both the House and Senate, this will not be investigated!!
Soros always supported the Democrats. You are missing the point and the context here.

I'm talking about people who USED TO support Democrats and were praised, then were demonized AFTER they decided to support Trump.
 
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Just a bunch of incompetent dummies in his cabinet with no experience.
The Whitehouse will be a Comedy Circle in the next four years with the fastest revolving door among any other Governments in History!!
Don't let Frankfooter scare you with his usual barrage of misinformation and doom/gloom tactics...you're not that gullible are you?

Are you?




The moves by Trump, experts say, are likely to be inconsequential to many Americans in terms of what they pay in out-of-pocket health care costs.

One Biden effort overturned by Trump, for example, had directed Medicare to look at ways to lower drug costs, including whether to impose a $2 monthly out-of-pocket cap on certain generic drugs.

That initiative, however, was only in the development stage, said Stacie Dusetzina, a health policy professor at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee, and it was unclear whether it would be implemented at all.

Biden’s bigger health care initiatives, such as a $35 monthly cap on insulin, a $2,000 annual out-of-pocket cap on prescription drugs and Medicare’s negotiating drug pricing provision weren’t affected by Trump’s executive actions Monday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...en-policies-drug-pricing-obamacare-rcna188555
 

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Soros always supported the Democrats. You are missing the point and the context here.

I'm talking about people who USED TO support Democrats and were praised, then were demonized AFTER they decided to support Trump.
There are a load of different contexts to bear in mind. Musk was the one to not only fund Trump but to be his right hand man during his numerous campaign rallies. He even dished out big dollar amounts as incentives to the supporters just to attend the rallies!!
But you missed out one of my contexts in the first place. Soros was scathingly attacked by those on the right with baseless and fake comments equating him with corruption, just for supporting the Democrats. However, when you see all these oligarchs and the amounts that they dished out to get Trump elected, there is a payback for the likes of Musk to head a Department in the Whitehouse!! Do you think that the Soros support for Democrats is right to be labelled as "corrupt" as compared to that of Musk and the scale of his loyalty to Trump?

 

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There are a load of different contexts to bear in mind. Musk was the one to not only fund Trump but to be his right hand man during his numerous campaign rallies. He even dished out big dollar amounts as incentives to the supporters just to attend the rallies!!
But you missed out one of my contexts in the first place. Soros was scathingly attacked by those on the right with baseless and fake comments equating him with corruption, just for supporting the Democrats. However, when you see all these oligarchs and the amounts that they dished out to get Trump elected, there is a payback for the likes of Musk to head a Department in the Whitehouse!! Do you think that the Soros support for Democrats is right to be labelled as "corrupt" as compared to that of Musk and the scale of his loyalty to Trump?

What are you going on about here? oh yes...the ol' distract from the topic and create a tangent.

Do you not find it completely strange that one day the Democrats love people that support them like Musk, RFK, Rogan, etc, etc...and the moment those people say they now support Trump they are attacked and demonized?

Is that too difficult for you to understand?

I'm not talking about people who have been and remain Democrat supporters being criticized. That's not the context here.
 

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Don't let Frankfooter scare you with his usual barrage of misinformation and doom/gloom tactics...you're not that gullible are you?

Are you?




The moves by Trump, experts say, are likely to be inconsequential to many Americans in terms of what they pay in out-of-pocket health care costs.

One Biden effort overturned by Trump, for example, had directed Medicare to look at ways to lower drug costs, including whether to impose a $2 monthly out-of-pocket cap on certain generic drugs.

That initiative, however, was only in the development stage, said Stacie Dusetzina, a health policy professor at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee, and it was unclear whether it would be implemented at all.

Biden’s bigger health care initiatives, such as a $35 monthly cap on insulin, a $2,000 annual out-of-pocket cap on prescription drugs and Medicare’s negotiating drug pricing provision weren’t affected by Trump’s executive actions Monday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...en-policies-drug-pricing-obamacare-rcna188555
Then what was the point of reversing the Affordable Healthcare Act, especially as there were more drugs that were supposed to be negotiated to lower the prices?

A change in priorities
Some of the actions Monday were expected, experts say, including weakening the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, a primary goal during Trump's first term.

Trump overturned a policy that had extended Obamacare’s open enrollment period an additional 12 weeks in 36 states, giving uninsured adults more time to sign up.

He also rescinded an order aimed at strengthening Medicaid, which included providing more outreach funding to states.
In jettisoning Biden’s order to look into new ways to lower out-of-pocket spending on prescription drugs, Levitt said, it could signal that Trump is less serious about addressing the cost of health care in the U.S.

“Trump is kind of wiping the slate clean,” he said. “If you contrast Day 1 of this Trump administration with the last one, it is a different approach to health care.”

Levitt said it remains unclear whether the Trump administration supports Medicare’s negotiating drug prices, a key provision in Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act. Last week, Medicare announced the next round of prescription drugs up for negotiations, including Ozempic and Wegovy.

“Trump could signal that he wants to continue drug price negotiation, or, alternatively, try to repeal it,” Levitt said. “The Trump administration has quite a bit of leeway to choose to negotiate more aggressively or less aggressively.”

Arthur Caplan, the head of the division of medical ethics at the NYU Grossman School of Medicine in New York City, said that for now, it appears that Trump is proceeding on health care costs “with great caution,” leaving Biden’s bigger initiatives alone.

Although Trump has advocated for a minimalist approach to government, Caplan said Trump is aware that the U.S. pays much higher prices for care than other countries and that the government may need to intervene.

Caplan said he hopes Trump leaves the Medicare negotiation provision in place.
 

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What are you going on about here? oh yes...the ol' distract from the topic and create a tangent.

Do you not find it completely strange that one day the Democrats love people that support them like Musk, RFK, Rogan, etc, etc...and the moment those people say they now support Trump they are attacked and demonized?

Is that too difficult for you to understand?

I'm not talking about people who have been and remain Democrat supporters being criticized. That's not the context here.
You were the one to go off topic in the first place!!
Who on earth on the left praised Musk, Rogan and RFK? The Democrats condemned RFK for his anti-vaccine stance. When Harris wanted nothing to do with RFK, that is why he drifted over as a Trump ass kisser, and will be one of the most inept Health Secretary ever in a government!!
Never heard any Democrats idolizing Rogan like the righties praise for him!!
Was Soros campaigning on any Democrats platforms like Musk did? Was he offered a position in Government like Musk? Did he go out dishing money at campaign rallies to those attending like Musk did? Remember that the Republicans were the ones in the first place to demonize Soros with all the fake Conspiracy Theories and linking him to all sorts of corruption!!
Are you in denial of that fact?
 
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Skoob

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Then what was the point of reversing the Affordable Healthcare Act, especially as there were more drugs that were supposed to be negotiated to lower the prices?
That's not the question you should be asking.

The question you should be asking is why is Frankfooter peddling misinformation in an effort to convince you otherwise?
 

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You were the one to go off topic in the first place!!
Who on earth on the left praised Musk, Rogan and RFK? The Democrats condemned RFK for his anti-vaccine stance. When Harris wanted nothing to do with RFK, that is why he drifted over as a Trump ass kisser, and will be one of the most inept Health Secretary ever in a government!!
Never heard any Democrats idolizing Rogan like the righties praise for him!!
Was Soros campaigning on any Democrats platforms like Musk did? Was he offered a position in Government like Musk? Did he go out dishing money at campaign rallies to those attending like Musk did? Remember that the Republicans were the ones in the first place to demonize Soros with all the fake Conspiracy Theories and linking him to all sorts of corruption!!
Are you in denial of that fact?
Soros doesn't have to worry about being offered positions within the Democrat party...he prefers to fund and direct them from the outside.
https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117680/documents/HMKP-118-JU00-20240919-SD006.pdf


"I used to be part of the blue bubble. I was 100 percent a left leaning person who lived in Los Angeles. I never voted Republican my entire life," Rogan said.
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-rogan-trump-supporter-politics-election-vote-1973111

and

The Bernie Sanders Campaign announced the endorsement of television and podcast personality Joe Rogan.
https://www.hrc.org/news/hrc-president-on-joe-rogan-endorsement-and-sanders-campaign-response
 

Valcazar

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bver_hunter

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That's not the question you should be asking.

The question you should be asking is why is Frankfooter peddling misinformation in an effort to convince you otherwise?
The one who peddles the most misinformation is Trump himself. The we have the righties who keep on posting his lies!!

Of course you will never question Trump's misinformation that is the biggest issue!!

Less Americans will be enrolling for the ACA as a result of the reversal of the Biden's 2021 Executive Order 14009!!

Hence he is making it worse for the Americans!!
 
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