Biden issues pre-emptive pardons in final hours for Anthony Fauci, Liz Cheney, Milley and others

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

This is what bugs me about democrats/liberals. They make assumptions and speak about it as if it's a well proven fact. Trump is going to do this and that, so he must be thinking this and that... and when none of it comes to life, they come up with a new fable to obsess about.

If none of it comes to life, then I would be happy.
I do believe many things he threatens people with, including "mass deportations" have very low chance of actual success.
But when the President of the US says he will do something you have to take it seriously even if there is low chance of it ever happening.
In the US, this means the Dems have to brace and do everything in their power to not allow Trump to succeed in doing things that could seriously hurt people or undermine democracy.
Hopefully they are up for the fight.

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

If none of it comes to life, then I would be happy.
I do believe many things he threatens people with, including "mass deportations" have very low chance of actual success.
But when the President of the US says he will do something you have to take it seriously even if there is low chance of it ever happening.
In the US, this means the Dems have to brace and do everything in their power to not allow Trump to succeed in doing things that could seriously hurt people or undermine democracy.
Hopefully they are up for the fight.

He was elected as a president of the United States because he made certain election promises. Now, you're suggesting that democrats need to get in the way of carrying out those promises because democracy must be preserved??

Has it occurred to you that people want him to do what he promised to do? Such as border wall, deportation, no more countless genders, boys in girl's sports etc. Democrats lost for a reason. The reason is because their agenda doesn't resonate with the most of the country. Take a hint.

 

[mandrill]

I think you are saying they will take the Fifth anyway.

I'm not sure you can take the Fifth unless you are at risk of incriminating yourself. You can't incriminate yourself if you have already been pardoned. I suspect someone like Liz Cheney will find ways to not cooperate with a House Committee.

You might remember I told members to take second hand testimony from a young aspiring book writer who worked in the White House with a grain of salt.

Heard it from a friend who
Heard it from a friend who
Heard it from another you been messin' around

Please, Earp. It's in clear English.

They did nothing wrong. So they need not take the 5th. There you go.

 

[mitchell76]

Please, Earp. It's in clear English.

They did nothing wrong. So they need not take the 5th. There you go.

If they did nothing wrong, then why did Biden give them pre-emptive pardons.....LMAO??

 

[mandrill]

He was elected as a president of the United States because he made certain election promises. Now, you're suggesting that democrats need to get in the way of carrying out those promises because democracy must be preserved??

Has it occurred to you that people want him to do what he promised to do? Such as border wall, deportation, no more countless genders, boys in girl's sports etc. Democrats lost for a reason. The reason is because their agenda doesn't resonate with the most of the country. Take a hint.

They actually lost - marginally - due to resentment against massive inflation in the last couple of years in the US.

But anyway. His Executive Order banning birthright citizenship is clearly contradicted by the 14th Amendment. It's about as valid as me declaring my left ball Lord-Emperor of Mississauga.

So yep. It's going to be opposed. Because the law is - after all - the law. Just like Trump can't one day say that he can kill people and not face a murder charge.

 

[mandrill]

If they did nothing wrong, then why did Biden give them pre-emptive pardons.....LMAO??

To stop them being lynch mobbed with fake bullshit prosecutions.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

He was elected as a president of the United States because he made certain election promises. Now, you're suggesting that democrats need to get in the way of carrying out those promises because democracy must be preserved??

Has it occurred to you that people want him to do what he promised to do? Such as border wall, deportation, no more countless genders, boys in girl's sports etc. Democrats lost for a reason. The reason is because their agenda doesn't resonate with the most of the country. Take a hint.

The American electorate is not concerned with preserving democracy.
They are ideologues. Many of them are also quite stupid.
Just because the MAGA cult wants him to do something, and he promises to do it, does not mean it should be done.
This is why we have checks and balances in the system, which I hope the Democrats make full use of.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

If they did nothing wrong, then why did Biden give them pre-emptive pardons.....LMAO??

The same reason why police officers wear bullet proof vests out in public when not in a gun fight.
To prevent the Orange orangutan from unfairly targeting him for doing his job and saving lives.

 

[K Douglas]

Well Done Joe! It would have been a tragedy to leave these folks unprotected with Trump and his crazy hand-picked cabinet coming in. Patel is a nutbag.

If you support these actions you're basically condoning deep state corruption. Which makes you an opponent of representative democracy. Let me guess you have a picture of Mao Zedong as your screen saver?

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

They actually lost - marginally - due to resentment against massive inflation in the last couple of years in the US.

But anyway. His Executive Order banning birthright citizenship is clearly contradicted by the 14th Amendment. It's about as valid as me declaring my left ball Lord-Emperor of Mississauga.

So yep. It's going to be opposed. Because the law is - after all - the law. Just like Trump can't one day say that he can kill people and not face a murder charge.

I'll agree with birth right. There should be some stipulations though. Can't just fly to the country, have a baby and automatically get a citizenship.

Democrats didn't lose marginally. They got smashed. Lost congress and senate too.

And it wasn't just the economy. People are tired of gender ideology, race baiting, wokeism, cancel culture etc. People said ENOUGH!

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

The American electorate is not concerned with preserving democracy.
They are ideologues. Many of them are also quite stupid.
Just because the MAGA cult wants him to do something, and he promises to do it, does not mean it should be done.
This is why we have checks and balances in the system, which I hope the Democrats make full use of.

You just admitted that you're against democracy.

 

[Valcazar]

That's the thing with false narrative and corrupt mainstream media. You know that Trump went after his opponents and opposition, but you can't give any names. What a pickle.

From the top of my head:
- illegal surveillance of Trump election camp in 2016
- Steele dossier (supposedly verified as true by intelligence agencies)
- Russia Russia Russia
- Dems set up Michael Flynn immediately after Trump was sworn in
- Comey goes after Trump shortly after inauguration
- constant leaks and anonymous sources shitting on Trump and his administration
- 2 impeachment attempts
- dozens of madeup lawsuits
- Steve Bannon was jailed (hope I'm getting his name right and I don't remember reasons why he was put away)
- countless investigations
- Jan 6
- Mar A Lago raid
- villifying Trump in every MSM, Trump is a threat to democracy narrative, Nazi etc
- assassination attempts
.... etc etc etc

Look at how full of delusion your list is.
You wouldn't look at real sources, read them, and think for yourself if I did all the library and research work for you and laid them out on your kitchen table.

We are dealing with complete epistemological capture.
It's quite sad, really.

Still. Those real facts are out there for you to find if you try one day.

In the meantime, as I said, given his track record of weaponizing the government against his enemies in his first term, coupled with his current rhetoric and the different situation he finds himself in with regards to support in the GOP, I have every expectation it will be much worse this time.

 

[Valcazar]

That's crazy, how is that even legal? Trump should pardon himself and his friends for all the future possible cases.

It's always been legal.
The Presidential Pardon power is not a good thing.
It's had deep and severe flaws since the beginning and many people have called for it to be reformed for years now.

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

Look at how full of delusion your list is.
You wouldn't look at real sources, read them, and think for yourself if I did all the library and research work for you and laid them out on your kitchen table.

We are dealing with complete epistemological capture.
It's quite sad, really.

Still. Those real facts are out there for you to find if you try one day.

In the meantime, as I said, given his track record of weaponizing the government against his enemies in his first term, coupled with his current rhetoric and the different situation he finds himself in with regards to support in the GOP, I have every expectation it will be much worse this time.

What part of my list is a delusion in your opinion?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You just admitted that you're against democracy.

There is a huge difference between majoritarianism and democracy. Look it up.

 

[WyattEarp]

Not only that, but he openly admitted that if the DOJ did a better job prosecuting Trump, then he, Joe Biden, would've won re-election. You can't make this stuff up.

Apparently, they can make this stuff up and then pretend they didn't.

 

[squeezer]

If you support these actions you're basically condoning deep state corruption. Which makes you an opponent of representative democracy. Let me guess you have a picture of Mao Zedong as your screen saver?

Do you support Trump pardoning Jan 6th. criminals??

Did you support this list of pardons??

Full list of Trump's last-minute pardons and commuted sentences

The list, made public early Wednesday morning, included his former chief strategist and longtime ally Steve Bannon.

www.nbcnews.com

and I know you support these felons being released by your felon leader

Here Are Some of the People Trump Pardoned

Steve Bannon, Anthony Levandowski and Lil Wayne were among those granted clemency in the final hours of the Trump administration. The former president did not announce pardons for himself or his children.

www.nytimes.com

Be careful your answer isn't hypocritical!

 

[WyattEarp]

I do believe many things he threatens people with, including "mass deportations" have very low chance of actual success.

I'm curious. What would you do with people who were in Canada illegally?

What your rhetoric doesn't recognize is people in the U.S. illegally get deported all the time. We have been moving to an untenable model where we allowed many migrants who could make it to the U.S. to simply stay indefinitely. Of course, if you come here legally under our visa system you are expected to follow the law and if you outstayed your visa you are deported.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

I'm curious. What would you do with people who were in Canada illegally?

I would do the following:
If they are recent arrivals, and if they have an asylum case, provide them with an opportunity to file for an asylum claim.
If they do not, then start removal proceedings.
If they are engaged in violent crime, then start removal proceedings.
If they are long term residents of Canada, provide them with a path to legal status.

 

[WyattEarp]

I would do the following:
If they are recent arrivals, and if they have an asylum case, provide them with an opportunity to file for an asylum claim.
If they do not, then start removal proceedings.
If they are engaged in violent crime, then start removal proceedings.
If they are long term residents of Canada, provide them with a path to legal status.

It might work out this way. The media tends to pass judgment on behalf of everyone while not explaining any of the legality or process.