What is "affordable housing"?

[HungSowel]

Skoob is just a collection of paradoxical ideas. JT giving the carbon tax back to people is bad, but DF going money back is good. A liberal using "affordable" housing as code word for subsidized housing is bad, but a conservative using the word "Super Bonus" as code word for subsidized housing is good.

It is easier to reconcile quantum mechanics with general relativity than reconciling the jagged disjointed thoughts inside Skoob's head.

 

[Skoob]

Skoob is just a collection of paradoxical ideas. JT giving the carbon tax back to people is bad, but DF going money back is good. A liberal using "affordable" housing as code word for subsidized housing is bad, but a conservative using the word "Super Bonus" as code word for subsidized housing is good.

It is easier to reconcile quantum mechanics with general relativity than reconciling the jagged disjointed thoughts inside Skoob's head.

It would appear that the disjointed thoughts are all yours...along with missing a few points along the way...

JT giving back money he purposely invented a new tax for is different than DF giving back money that was not collected as part of a new tax ponzi scheme.
A bonus to incentivize municipalities to exceed building targets for new housing is different than calling housing "affordable" and being evasive & misleading as to the true nature of it.

You can offer me an apology for your insults now and I will then consider accepting it.

 

[Anbarandy]

It would appear that the disjointed thoughts are all yours...along with missing a few points along the way...

JT giving back money he purposely invented a new tax for is different than DF giving back money that was not collected as part of a new tax ponzi scheme.
A bonus to incentivize municipalities to exceed building targets for new housing is different than calling housing "affordable" and being evasive & misleading as to the true nature of it.

You can offer me an apology for your insults now and I will then consider accepting it.

Where or where is your little lost Slug Fraud getting his $3.4billion unwanted election bribe from?

By whom, from whom is your little lost Slug Fraud's $3.4billion unlegislated for election bribe to be paid by with interest to boot?

A bonus to incentivize municipalities is meaningless if your little lost Slug Fraud can't incentivize developers to build, which he hasn't been able to do.

Not only disjointed, but utterly inept, incapable and patently Fraud-ulent.

 

[Skoob]

Where or where is your little lost Slug Fraud getting his $3.4billion unwanted election bribe from?

By whom, from whom is your little lost Slug Fraud's $3.4billion unlegislated for election bribe to be paid by with interest to boot?

A bonus to incentivize municipalities is meaningless if your little lost Slug Fraud can't incentivize developers to build, which he hasn't been able to do.

Not only disjointed, but utterly inept, incapable and patently Fraud-ulent.

Where do you think he's getting it from? Are you too lazy to find that answer yourself?
You seem to like asking questions and never provide any substance of your own.

Maybe if Trudeau didn't ruin the economy more developers would actually start building. No one is going to build homes that people can't buy.
You also seem obsessed with Ford winning another election. Do you think he will win it because he's giving people a $200 rebate? hahaha that's funny!

 

[Klatuu]

Where do you think he's getting it from? Are you too lazy to find that answer yourself?
You seem to like asking questions and never provide any substance of your own.

Case in point

 

[Skoob]

Case in point

The only case & point here is that you are a troll.
If you disagree with my assessment then explain why.

 

[Klatuu]

The only case & point here is that you are a troll.
If you disagree with my assessment then explain why.

Slow

 

[Skoob]

Slow

Troll

 

[HungSowel]

It would appear that the disjointed thoughts are all yours...along with missing a few points along the way...

JT giving back money he purposely invented a new tax for is different than DF giving back money that was not collected as part of a new tax ponzi scheme.
A bonus to incentivize municipalities to exceed building targets for new housing is different than calling housing "affordable" and being evasive & misleading as to the true nature of it.

You can offer me an apology for your insults now and I will then consider accepting it.

Those are distinctions without a difference. Your arguments usually involve taking inconsequential minutia and spinning it into a pathetic defense. To you winning an argument is just about having the last word, you throw out nonsense and get the other side to quit replying out of frustration and call that a win.

 

[Skoob]

Those are differences without distinction. Your arguments usually involve taking inconsequential minutia and spinning it into a pathetic defense. To you winning an argument is just about having the last word, you throw out nonsense and get the other side to quit replying out of frustration and call that a win.

Care to argue on topic or just continue to fling insults?

Usually when people start insulting someone and changing the subject it's a clear sign they really have no argument and are trying to distract from that.

So?

Will you argue like an adult or just skip to the part where you offer me an apology and move on?

I'm offering you a choice...I'm not a monster.

 

[HungSowel]

Care to argue on topic or just continue to fling insults?

Usually when people start insulting someone and changing the subject it's a clear sign they really have no argument and are trying to distract from that.

So?

Will you argue like an adult or just skip to the part where you offer me an apology and move on?

I'm offering you a choice...I'm not a monster.

My argument is that what you are saying are distinctions without a difference. Giving tax payer money back is the same regardless. Giving municipalities money for housing under the guise of Super Bonus is still a subsidy.

You insult people in your posts too, why do you get to be high and mighty about it?

 

[Skoob]

My argument is that what you are saying are distinctions without a difference. Giving tax payer money back is the same regardless. Giving municipalities money for housing under the guise of Super Bonus is still a subsidy.

You insult people in your posts too, why do you get to be high and mighty about it?

It is not a distinction without a difference.

If I create a new tax (on top of taxes we already have) and then give you some of it back, is that the same as me just giving some of it back from existing taxes?

No it's not. And you would be foolish to think so.

Giving municipalities a bonus requires that they meet/exceed targets. It's not just provided for nothing.

I don't insult people unless they insult me first. Usually I don't even do that as a initial response.

 

[HungSowel]

It is not a distinction without a difference.

If I create a new tax (on top of taxes we already have) and then give you some of it back, is that the same as me just giving some of it back from existing taxes?

No it's not. And you would be foolish to think so.

So if JT announces that he is canceling the carbon tax rebate and the next day he announces a new rebate but calls it "not a carbon tax rebate rebate" for the same amount as the carbon tax rebate then you would approve? There technically is no new tax to support the "new" rebate as the carbon tax is already in place and JT is changing the name of the rebate. It seems all you care about is superficial differences so a superficial change should satisfy you.

 

[hrnyscrp1971]

The price of land is not going down, nor building material and let's not forget labour.

There is subsidized housing in the GTA with the City of Toronto being the biggest landlord. It really doesn't work.

The city donating precious tracks of land to build a 30 unit building is a nice photo op. But it really isn't solving the problem

Perhaps look to cities that are eroding or suffering from lack of work. It requires a multi government plan to relocate, entice and subsidize businesses to relocate outside the GTA and same with builders. Take Peterborough, 90minutes north east of Toronto with schools, hospitals and some industries. And with serviceable land. We should be investing in these cities as our tex dollars will go further.

Chow needs to go

 

[Skoob]

So if JT announces that he is canceling the carbon tax rebate and the next day he announces a new rebate but calls it "not a carbon tax rebate rebate" for the same amount as the carbon tax rebate then you would approve? There technically is no new tax to support the "new" rebate as the carbon tax is already in place and JT is changing the name of the rebate. It seems all you care about is superficial differences so a superficial change should satisfy you.

If ifs & buts were candy & nuts...as they say...but I digress...back to reality...

The carbon tax (Bill C-74) was introduced in 2018 and keeps increasing so yes it's a new tax. That money really didn't exist before. The rebates really didn't exist before.

What new tax has been introduced or has been increased in Ontario? None.

ps you have no idea what I or anyone else really cares about so stop pretending you do. Instead, why don't you add some substance to your posts rather than schoolyard name-calling and judgement? People would take you more seriously.
Unless of course you don't want to be taken seriously? The choice is yours. As long as you're good with reaping what you sow.

 

[HungSowel]

If ifs & buts were candy & nuts...as they say...but I digress...back to reality...

The carbon tax (Bill C-74) was introduced in 2018 and keeps increasing so yes it's a new tax. That money really didn't exist before. The rebates really didn't exist before.

What new tax has been introduced or has been increased in Ontario? None.

ps you have no idea what I or anyone else really cares about so stop pretending you do. Instead, why don't you add some substance to your posts rather than schoolyard name-calling and judgement? People would take you more seriously.
Unless of course you don't want to be taken seriously? The choice is yours. As long as you're good with reaping what you sow.

Both the federal and provincial governments are running a deficit, so all the rebates are functionally coming from debt.

You keep arguing the same surface level BS and pretending it is some deep difference.

 

[Skoob]

Both the federal and provincial governments are running a deficit, so all the rebates are functionally coming from debt.

You keep arguing the same surface level BS and pretending it is some deep difference.

It's not about deficits it's about where the money given back has come from.
Feds are giving money back after they introduced and subsequently increased the carbon tax.
Province is not.

That's the difference.

 

[Anbarandy]

It's not about deficits it's about where the money given back has come from.
Feds are giving money back after they introduced and subsequently increased the carbon tax.
Province is not.

That's the difference.

So, where/from whom is Thuggy Fraud gonna git dat election bribe moolah from?

And please don't say:

- it's a dividend
- it's a stakeholder buyback
- it's stakeholder equity
- it's a surplus from all the great work he's done
- it's a gift from "him to us"

 

[Klatuu]

If ifs & buts were candy & nuts...as they say...but I digress...back to reality...

The carbon tax (Bill C-74) was introduced in 2018 and keeps increasing so yes it's a new tax. That money really didn't exist before. The rebates really didn't exist before.

What new tax has been introduced or has been increased in Ontario? None.

ps you have no idea what I or anyone else really cares about so stop pretending you do. Instead, why don't you add some substance to your posts rather than schoolyard name-calling and judgement? People would take you more seriously.
Unless of course you don't want to be taken seriously? The choice is yours. As long as you're good with reaping what you sow.

2018? When did a 7 year old tax become new, grandpa?

 

[Skoob]

2018? When did a 7 year old tax become new, grandpa?

When it was introduced by the same clown who wants you to believe you are actually getting richer from it.
And btw it has been increasing ever since.

Ever think for a moment why the federal Liberals are about to be wiped out of existence?...this is one reason.