What is "affordable housing"?

[wonderingeye]

The price of land is not going down, nor building material and let's not forget labour.

There is subsidized housing in the GTA with the City of Toronto being the biggest landlord. It really doesn't work.

The city donating precious tracks of land to build a 30 unit building is a nice photo op. But it really isn't solving the problem

Perhaps look to cities that are eroding or suffering from lack of work. It requires a multi government plan to relocate, entice and subsidize businesses to relocate outside the GTA and same with builders. Take Peterborough, 90minutes north east of Toronto with schools, hospitals and some industries. And with serviceable land. We should be investing in these cities as our tex dollars will go further.

 

[JohnLarue]

"Ovaltine. Why do they call it Ovaltine? It's not oval, it's round. They should call it Roundtine! That's gold Schnoobie, gold!"

On the same level of inanity

the vast majority of young working and productive Canadians can not afford to by a home now. ''affordable homes'' are just teasing unfulfilled dreams and out of their grasp. likely until their parents pass away or not at all
but if you are in the least productive group, the government rewards you and subsidies a home for you

inanity + s = insanity

 

[JohnLarue]

I have been to Spain many times. I have never seen a homeless person, and their population is 8 million more than Canada's.

Stats says there are about 30k homeless in Spain, mostly immigrants. But they have 22k shelters. In 2023 they addressed the situation by passing a law against inequalities and preventing and solving homelessness.

Maybe we should study what they do and how?

maybe we should not use Spain as a standard

The vulnerability of public finances, probably the Spanish economy's greatest vulnerabilities. At end-2023 public debt-to-GDP stood at a historically very high level of 108%, around 10 pp above pre-pandemic levels and more than 30 pp above the euro area average.

so how does a law actually prevent inequality?
what are the punishments for breaking the law by being more successful than your neighbour ?
one may as well sleep in every morning rather than break the law of inequality via hard work ethic

 

[Skoob]

‘You actually don’t understand the difference between affordable and subsidized?

Yes affordable is when someone can buy or rent a home within their means.
Subsidized means someone else is paying for it in part or in whole.

The point here, which you appear to have missed, is why do our politicians (like Chow) keep using "affordable" instead of "subsidized" seeing as the housing she is building is subsidized by taxpayers and not just cheap housing. It's a marketing tactic to avoid the real essence of what she is referring to. Why?

 

[Skoob]

What is PEE PEE going to do about it?

What does Poilievre have to do with the topic of this thread? Why are you so afraid of escaping the Trudeau House of Shit?
Are you suffering from Stockholm Syndrome?


You are the new "Bver 2.0 Polievre version."
(he has you beat on mentioning Harper & Trump in every thread but I see you trying to find a niche for yourself).

 

[Skoob]

Yes Pierre does want this unfortunately.He wants to kill off the poor.

Really? Prove it.
Or are you just buying into the whole Liberal talking points thing to hide their own dysfunction?

 

[Skoob]

you seem to be very worried where tax dollars go so would I rather my tax dollars go to house homeless >YES
DO I think Air Canada needs corporate welfare yearly NO

How much housing do you think could be built with the $1 billion per year Canada Post loses?
How about with the money that has been sent to Ukraine?

So while it feels good to want to house the homeless with our tax dollars, that's not what the current government has been doing.

 

[jalimon]

maybe we should not use Spain as a standard


so how does a law actually prevent inequality?
what are the punishments for breaking the law by being more successful than your neighbour ?
one may as well sleep in every morning rather than break the law of inequality via hard work ethic

Well you walk the streets and do not see homeless. Just like in Vienna, Amsterdam, Budapest... How they do it?

 

[DesRicardo]

I have been to Spain many times. I have never seen a homeless person, and their population is 8 million more than Canada's.

Stats says there are about 30k homeless in Spain, mostly immigrants. But they have 22k shelters. In 2023 they addressed the situation by passing a law against inequalities and preventing and solving homelessness.

Maybe we should study what they do and how?

Didn't Spain have a protest a few months back about housing cost rising?

 

[Klatuu]

Yes affordable is when someone can buy or rent a home within their means.
Subsidized means someone else is paying for it in part or in whole.

The point here, which you appear to have missed, is why do our politicians (like Chow) keep using "affordable" instead of "subsidized" seeing as the housing she is building is subsidized by taxpayers and not just cheap housing. It's a marketing tactic to avoid the real essence of what she is referring to. Why?

Like university education is subsidized in Canada. Or the TTC. Or GO transit. It makes it affordable. I’m sure you gladly accepted those subsidies.

 

[squeezer]

How much housing do you think could be built with the $1 billion per year Canada Post loses?
How about with the money that has been sent to Ukraine?

So while it feels good to want to house the homeless with our tax dollars, that's not what the current government has been doing.

Do you ever get anything right?

Canada Post's operations are funded by revenue generated by the sale of postal products and services, not taxpayer dollars.

Yet you prop up Putin and his desire to take over a sovereign democratic state, what a great ally you are.

What does Poilievre have to do with the topic of this thread? Why are you so afraid of escaping the Trudeau House of Shit?
Are you suffering from Stockholm Syndrome?


You are the new "Bver 2.0 Polievre version."
(he has you beat on mentioning Harper & Trump in every thread but I see you trying to find a niche for yourself).

PEE PEE has everything to do with this thread since he only criticizes the Libs yet offers no real solutions.

 

[Skoob]

Like university education is subsidized in Canada. Or the TTC. Or GO transit. It makes it affordable. I’m sure you gladly accepted those subsidies.

Do you ever get anything right?

Canada Post's operations are funded by revenue generated by the sale of postal products and services, not taxpayer dollars.

Yet you prop up Putin and his desire to take over a sovereign democratic state, what a great ally you are.



PEE PEE has everything to do with this thread since he only criticizes the Libs yet offers no real solutions.

Really? How does a business that loses more than $1 billion per year magically pay it's employees and remain in business?
And here's a good question for you...who is responsible for and pays for Canada Posts debt?
I'll wait...

And while you are being enlightened, you may want to actually read Poilievre's plan for housing that you keep saying doesn't exist as your sole argument for sticking with the Trudeau Burning House of Shit:


The Building Homes Not Bureaucracy Act Will:

• Require big, unaffordable cities to build more homes and speed up the rate at which they build homes every year to meet our housing targets. Cities must increase the number of homes built by 15% each year and then 15% on top of the previous target every single year (it compounds). If targets are missed, cities will have to catch up in the following years and build even more homes, or a percentage of their federal funding will be withheld, equivalent to the percentage they missed their target by. Municipalities can be added if the region that they are a part of meets these criteria.
• Reward big cities that are removing gatekeepers and getting homes built by providing a building bonus for municipalities that exceed a 15% increase in housing completions, proportional to the degree to which they exceed this target.
• Withhold transit and infrastructure funding from cities until sufficient high-density housing around transit stations is built and occupied. Cities will not receive money for transit until there are keys-in-doors.
• Impose a NIMBY penalty on big city gatekeepers for egregious cases of NIMBYism. We will empower Canadians to file complaints about NIMBYism with the federal infrastructure department. When complaints are legitimate, we will withhold infrastructure and transit dollars until cities allow homes to be built.
• Provide a “Super Bonus” to any municipality that has greatly exceeded its housing targets.
• Cut the bonuses and salaries, and if needed, fire the gatekeepers at CMHC if they are unable to speed up approval of applications for housing programs to an average of 60 days.
• Remove GST on the building of any new homes with rental prices below market value. This will be funded using dollars from the failed Liberal Housing Accelerator fund.
• Within a year and a half of this law passing, list 15 percent of the federal government’s 37,000 buildings and all appropriate federal land to be turned into homes people can afford.

https://www.conservative.ca/building-homes-not-bureaucracy/

 

[squeezer]

Really? How does a business that loses more than $1 billion per year magically pay it's employees and remain in business?
And here's a good question for you...who is responsible for and pays for Canada Posts debt?
I'll wait...

Reading is your friend. Considering you are part of the "do your own research" crowd, you should really use google or even AI so you do not constantly look foolish.

Here, have read but read it carefully so you do not make an ass out of yourself please because it's not a good look.

Canada Post has covered costs using revenue, reserve funds – not taxpayer dollars

The Canadian Union of Postal Workers started a national strike on Nov. 15, disrupting letter and parcel delivery across the country. As Canadians on social media discussed the postal service

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

as for Pee Pee's piss-poor home-building plan, have a listen to his mumbo jumbo. Perhaps you can put a spin on his nonsensical blabbing. LMAO. I do not want to give you too much to read in one go so this one, you can just watch and listen.

 

[jalimon]

Didn't Spain have a protest a few months back about housing cost rising?

Most of their protest was actually against tourism. They get way too much of it in some parts of the year, and it's just too much. But also most probably some about
housing. Housing is becoming increasingly difficult in Barcelona, Madrid, and Lisbon, Portugal. Mainly due to people moving there from Europe and America. But in other parts of these 2 countries, it is still much more affordable and livable.

 

[squeezer]

I also read Canada post is debating if they should have Sunday service for lost profits,

They should! They should do whatever it takes product and service-wise to compete and generate more of a profit.

 

[DesRicardo]

The price of land is not going down, nor building material and let's not forget labour.

There is subsidized housing in the GTA with the City of Toronto being the biggest landlord. It really doesn't work.

The city donating precious tracks of land to build a 30 unit building is a nice photo op. But it really isn't solving the problem

Perhaps look to cities that are eroding or suffering from lack of work. It requires a multi government plan to relocate, entice and subsidize businesses to relocate outside the GTA and same with builders. Take Peterborough, 90minutes north east of Toronto with schools, hospitals and some industries. And with serviceable land. We should be investing in these cities as our tex dollars will go further.

Metro Housing is a prime example why the government moved away from controlling low income rentals. Any and Every thing went wrong with public housing.

Poilievre said it best, we need to open land for building homes for sale not for renting.

But when it comes to developing cities outside of Toronto, understand cities don't want that. Not every cities wants to become Toronto Jr. and Toronto doesn't want people or businesses moving out from Toronto.

imo, the solution was always transit but that ship has sailed.

 

[HungSowel]

It is not a subsidy, it is a super bonus, PP 2025!!!

 

[Skoob]

canada post owns puralator

They are a majority owner and Purolator is actually profitable.
Canada Post...loses $1 billion per year.

 

[Skoob]

Reading is your friend. Considering you are part of the "do your own research" crowd, you should really use google or even AI so you do not constantly look foolish.

Here, have read but read it carefully so you do not make an ass out of yourself please because it's not a good look.

Canada Post has covered costs using revenue, reserve funds – not taxpayer dollars

The Canadian Union of Postal Workers started a national strike on Nov. 15, disrupting letter and parcel delivery across the country. As Canadians on social media discussed the postal service

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

as for Pee Pee's piss-poor home-building plan, have a listen to his mumbo jumbo. Perhaps you can put a spin on his nonsensical blabbing. LMAO. I do not want to give you too much to read in one go so this one, you can just watch and listen.

Ah yes...you've been crying about not seeing a plan...so now you've seen it and you flip to not liking it and crying again.

So you're whole tactic failed and you are using a new tactic.

btw Canada Post is a crown corporation that has been losing $millions per year...how long do you think before they ask for a government bail out? Who sits on the board? They are more intermingled than you think.

 

[squeezer]

.btw Canada Post is a crown corporation that has been losing $millions per year...how long do you think before they ask for a government bail out? Who sits on the board? They are more intermingled than you think.

Ah yes...you've been crying about Taxpayers paying for Canada Post...so now you've seen it and you flip to not liking it and crying again.

So you're whole tactic failed and you are using a new tactic