Elon musk calls Justin Trudeau an insufferable tool

[Skoob]

Apple and Microsoft revolutionized personal computing and made the workforce many times more productive.
Apple pretty much changed the way we communicate.
Facebook changed the way we connect.
Google changed the way we look for information.
Elon's companies did nothing.
Our lives will be exactly the same if he did not exist.
So keep up with your mental gymnastics trying to deny the truth.

Your failure at making an argument is legendary.
You expect Musk to accomplish what it took other decades to do overnight and without their own ideas.

If it wasn't for Musk do you seriously think car manufacturers would be investing in EV's and pushing the world towards them?

In 50 years from now who do you think will be credited for that?

I guess you liked him better when he supported the Democrat party so now you have to attack his accomplishments and character because he dumped them.
I get it. You don't want to just admit that.

But keep arguing if you want...just makes it easy for me to make you look foolish.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You expect Musk to accomplish what it took other decades to do overnight and without their own ideas.

The first personal computers were developed in the 70s.
The first smartphones in the 90s.
The first social media, in the early 2000s.
The first search engines in the 90s.
On the other hand:
The very first EVs rolled out in the 1800s.
The first resuable space vehicles were developed in the 70s.
So which product(s) have been in the market longer?
Elon took something preexisting for decades and has still not accomplished a smidge of what Gates, Jobs and Zuckerberg have done.
As I said already, nice mental gymnastics.
You should start your own Olympic team for the sport.

 

[The Oracle]

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[Skoob]

The first personal computers were developed in the 70s.
The first smartphones in the 90s.
The first social media, in the early 2000s.
The first search engines in the 90s.
On the other hand:
The very first EVs rolled out in the 1800s.
The first resuable space vehicles were developed in the 70s.
So which product(s) have been in the market longer?
Elon took something preexisting for decades and has still not accomplished a smidge of what Gates, Jobs and Zuckerberg have done.
As I said already, nice mental gymnastics.
You should start your own Olympic team for the sport.

Do you think the first smartphone would exist without the first cell phone existing (1973)?
First social network was Six Degrees...1997.

Get your facts straight so you don't keep looking ignorant.

You think Musk took what was invented in the 1800's and simply marketed that for consumer purchases of EVs today?
Same with reusable space vehicles...he just took what they had and copied it exactly and then had rockets land themselves?

Every product and services that is around today existed before.

You sound desperate.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Do you think the first smartphone would exist without the first cell phone existing (1973)?
First social network was Six Degrees...1997.

Get your facts straight so you don't keep looking ignorant.

You think Musk took what was invented in the 1800's and simply marketed that for consumer purchases of EVs today?
Same with reusable space vehicles...he just took what they had and copied it exactly and then had rockets land themselves?

Every product and services that is around today existed before.

You sound desperate.

It is understood technology leverages already existing technology to improve upon and innovate.
I gave Elon credit for landing boosters.
But his con is two fold.
One that he changed lives. He has not.
Our lives will be no different without Tesla or SpaceX today.
You cannot hide behind technology maturity on this.
Tech development is exponential and his companies have been around for 2 decades making no significant impact on our lives.
The second is that he is the product architect, designer or engineer behind these innovations (if any).
He is not.
He does not even have a degree in engineering.

 

[Skoob]

It is understood technology leverages already existing technology to improve upon and innovate.
I gave Elon credit for landing boosters.
But his con is two fold.
One that he changed lives. He has not.
Our lives will be no different without Tesla or SpaceX today.
You cannot hide behind technology maturity on this.
Tech development is exponential and his companies have been around for 2 decades making no significant impact on our lives.
The second is that he is the product architect, designer or engineer behind these innovations (if any).
He is not.
He does not even have a degree in engineering.

Gates and Jobs both dropped out of university if that is your measure.
Musk holds 2 degrees if it matters that much to you.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Gates and Jobs both dropped out of university if that is your measure.
Musk holds 2 degrees if it matters that much to you.

Yes but they dont claim to be engineers or architects of their products.
By the way Gates is known through scores of anecdotes (including some of his professors) to be an extremely intelligent person and an incredible programmer.
And he is who people think Elon is.

 

[Skoob]

Yes but they dont claim to be engineers or architects of their products.
By the way Gates is known through scores of anecdotes (including some of his professors) to be an extremely intelligent person and an incredible programmer.
And he is who people think Elon is.

Not sure why you are trying to bend whatever argument you are trying to make but no one said Gates and Jobs were not intelligent.
But if you want to continue downplaying Musk's accomplishments here's some helpful info for you...

By 2002, Musk was on his way to being an investor who quickly became interested in electric cars and space travel. And while he was an investor in both SpaceX and Tesla Motors, he was also heavily steeped in design, playing a lead role in both products' engineering. While he might not have a degree in engineering, he oversaw the development of the all-electric Tesla Roadster and Model S sedan.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/is-elon-musk-a-scientist

...and while you're at it, this article looks to be written about you...

One common one is that Elon Musk isn’t an engineer. Similarly, it’s common to say that he just bought his way into Tesla and isn’t a true founder (a judge determined he was indeed one of five core founders, and a basic historical account of how Tesla got off the ground indicates as much). The implication with both claims is that Elon was not at all responsible for the success of Tesla (or SpaceX, or PayPal). People who have followed the Tesla story closely know this is all nonsense, and when someone throws one of these javelins at Elon’s identity, reputation, and history, they immediately look like fools.
https://cleantechnica.com/2022/11/1...ritiques-of-how-hes-running-twitter-or-tesla/


You can continue to die on the hill of anecdotes or just accept reality.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Not sure why you are trying to bend whatever argument you are trying to make but no one said Gates and Jobs were not intelligent.
But if you want to continue downplaying Musk's accomplishments here's some helpful info for you...

Except he was not.
Marc Tarpenning and Martin Eberhard were the engineers.
He was merely an investor.
He just named himself "Product Architect".
Overseeing a company and actually engineering a product are very different endeavours.
A couple of articles by Elon stans does not change this truth.
So keep doing your double backflip. But you wont change the truth.

 

[Skoob]

Except he was not.
Marc Tarpenning and Martin Eberhard were the engineers.
He was merely an investor.
He just named himself "Product Architect".
Overseeing a company and actually engineering a product are very different endeavours.
A couple of articles by Elon stans does not change this truth.
So keep doing your double backflip. But you wont change the truth.

Says the guy who just provides anecdotal info and biased opinions.
At least I provide something more but it looks like I'm wasting my time trying to convince someone who just doesn't want to be educated.

Every time you respond and I prove you wrong you come back with something new.
Just say you don't like Musk for your own biased reasons without trying to peddle misinformation about him and others. It hasn't worked for you.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Says the guy who just provides anecdotal info and biased opinions.
At least I provide something more but it looks like I'm wasting my time trying to convince someone who just doesn't want to be educated.

Every time you respond and I prove you wrong you come back with something new.
Just say you don't like Musk for your own biased reasons without trying to peddle misinformation about him and others. It hasn't worked for you.

Oh nice double twisting double backflip.
I gave you the facts regarding how Tesla was formed, and how Elon came to acquire it.
You gave me an opinion piece.
My info was based on actual facts.
Yours based on opinions.
Everytime you say you prove me wrong, you end up getting caught in your own web of convoluted reasonings.
Like the other thread where I summarily proved you wrong.

 

[Skoob]

Oh nice double twisting double backflip.
I gave you the facts regarding how Tesla was formed, and how Elon came to acquire it.
You gave me an opinion piece.
My info was based on actual facts.
Yours based on opinions.
Everytime you say you prove me wrong, you end up getting caught in your own web of convoluted reasonings.
Like the other thread where I summarily proved you wrong.

How Tesla was formed has nothing to do with what Musk has accomplished with it and other things.
Every time you tried to use Gates and Jobs as your examples I proved that your info was contradictory.

If you want to keep looking foolish go ahead...this is sport to me.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

How Tesla was formed has nothing to do with what Musk has accomplished with it and other things.

And how have his accomplishments changed life as we know it?
They haven't and that is a factually correct statement.

 

[nottyboi]

No nuances.
Straight up facts.
- EVs have always existed and the first vehicles in 1895 were electric. EVs are still unafforable, are a minority of the market and Teslas are badly constructed vehicles.
- Reusuable launch vehicles have been around for over 50 years. I will give him credit for landing boosters back though.
- Neuralink has killed 100s of primates it was tested on. The 1 human it was tested on has not been heard from since. BCI technology research has existed since the 60s.
- Boring Company is a failed endeavour.
- Musk did not co-found Paypal.
There you go.
Nothing much there to put him in the league of Steve Jobs, Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg.

Geez how many EVs were available for sale before Tesla? The reusability of the launch vehicles is not the point. Its the economics of launching. The space shuttle was one of the most expensive ways in history to launch a payload. SpaceX has utterly revolutionized the cost of space launches, If you tell me Mandrill was part of the Neuralink pilot, I would say it explains a lot. I would say that Trudeaus charactization of Kamalas defeat as a setback for women was idiotic. She was a bad candidate, a lousy campaigner and an affirmative action disaster

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Geez how many EVs were available for sale before Tesla? The reusability of the launch vehicles is not the point. Its the economics of launching. The space shuttle was one of the most expensive ways in history to launch a payload. SpaceX has utterly revolutionized the cost of space launches, If you tell me Mandrill was part of the Neuralink pilot, I would say it explains a lot.

So you are saying he made Tesla a minor competitor to the big 3.
Yes it is a successful business.
But did it change lives?
No.
Same with the economics of launching.
The Indian space agency does it, at or below cost of SpaceX.
When they get reusable vehicles, or a heavy lift vehicle, it will get even cheaper for them.

 

[JohnLarue]

That’s because Trudeau is in insufferable tool

he is much worse than that
Canadians will pay a vey steep price for selecting a fool to be our leader because..... he had a famous last name ???

in 9 short years he has taken the very best country in the world and turned it into a shit show
the worse part is Trudeaus stupidity and irresponsible mis-management will haunt Canada for generations
get ready to have your standard of living decline ... further

 

[JohnLarue]

Geez how many EVs were available for sale before Tesla? The reusability of the launch vehicles is not the point. Its the economics of launching. The space shuttle was one of the most expensive ways in history to launch a payload. SpaceX has utterly revolutionized the cost of space launches, If you tell me Mandrill was part of the Neuralink pilot, I would say it explains a lot. I would say that Trudeaus charactization of Kamalas defeat as a setback for women was idiotic. She was a bad candidate, a lousy campaigner and an affirmative action disaster

So you are finally turning on Trudeau after a decade of cheerleading for him

what is your opinion worth again ?

 

[JuanGoodman]

he is much worse than that
Canadians will pay a vey steep price for selecting a fool to be our leader because..... he had a famous last name ???

in 9 short years he has taken the very best country in the world and turned it into a shit show
the worse part is Trudeaus stupidity and irresponsible mis-management will haunt Canada for generations
get ready to have your standard of living decline ... further

unfortunately Trudeau will never be held accountable for what he has done to Canada

he should go to jail for his shenanigans

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

unfortunately Trudeau will never be held accountable for what he has done to Canada

he should go to jail for his shenanigans

His "crimes" will be forgotten as soon as the next PM fucks up.
Its a revolving door of fuck ups tbh.

 

[JuanGoodman]

His "crimes" will be forgotten as soon as the next PM fucks up.
Its a revolving door of fuck ups tbh.

very true

we are being played from both sides