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Should Canada merge with Trump's America?

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Smoking reduction started with Having smoking sections Which were basically useless on airplanes. But the window changed And now you can't even smoke in bars. Oil and gas we're still at the stage where Doctors recommended people to Smoke Because the tobacco coming is paid to do so.. Hence the climate denial.

Smoking reduction started with many smokers taking the initiatives
to quit smoking once and for all for good health. You can be sure those
who brought tobacco companies to court were already committed
non-smokers when they filed their lawsuit.

Smoking reduction proceeding in a similar fashion to the climate
movement would see medical doctors smoking like chimneys while
warning their patients of getting killed by cancer if they don't quit.
Counterparts of such medical doctors in the climate movement
are Al Gore, John Kerry, Leonardo Di Caprio, David Suzuki, Justin
Trudeau, Harrison Ford among many other shameless climate hypocrites.
 

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Smoking reduction started with many smokers taking the initiatives
to quit smoking once and for all for good health. You can be sure those
who brought tobacco companies to court were already committed
non-smokers when they filed their lawsuit.

Smoking reduction proceeding in a similar fashion to the climate
movement would see medical doctors smoking like chimneys while
warning their patients of getting killed by cancer if they don't quit.
Counterparts of such medical doctors in the climate movement
are Al Gore, John Kerry, Leonardo Di Caprio, David Suzuki, Justin
Trudeau, Harrison Ford among many other shameless climate hypocrites.
and that is the historical record as what happened . . .
so you agree with my comparison I take it.

But the AL core of the time
Luther L. Terry, the Surgeon General of the United States at the time, was a smoker himself when he released the first Surgeon General's Report on Smoking and Health in 1964


Of note stupid silly measures can be very effective: the 5 cent charge on plastic bags in Ontario had people out spit using there own bags . . . I thought pure performance but within a week of the change it was night and day. The reason I heard at the cash was nothing to do with the social good, it was spite - how dare we get ripped off by 5 cents. Yet it created the climate to eventual ban plastic bags years later . . .
Just like we went from horses to cars in 10 years, create a culture/habit with support and society will change -
-look at how radical the sex industry has changed with the new laws - first with the brass rail touching law, and then Harpers crazy men are always wrong -
Or one I am against is the land apology we now have in college and university text books, creating a generation that believes first nations are superior to the rest of Canada from a 180 degree turn in two generations.
 
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Sure, why not.
The conservatives make a strong case:

The North and Its Many Sorrows
Canada is a curious country. It stretches wide like an overcooked piece of taffy, thin in places, brittle in others, yet held together by politeness and a national anthem that feels like a hymn for the meek. You’d think with all their lumber and maple syrup, they’d have more gumption (courage) to stand on their own two snowshoes. But they don’t. They cling to the Queen and beg the United States not to notice them too much, like a younger sibling hoping to borrow their older brother’s leather jacket without getting called out for it.

The truth is, Canadians are weak. Weak in body, weak in spirit. This is a country that apologizes for existing. Their chief export is "Sorry" and their greatest weapon is passive aggression. It is a cold, frigid place where men in red coats once marched into battle armed with nothing but politeness and British accents. How they survived this long is anyone’s guess. But the jig is up.

Then there’s their intelligence—or lack thereof. Have you ever met a Canadian trying to explain their healthcare system? It’s like watching a man convince himself a slushy machine is gourmet cuisine. Sure, it’s free, they’ll tell you, but they won’t mention the six-month wait to fix a broken arm. They pride themselves on this, the way a squirrel might boast about finding half an acorn.

Meanwhile, America looms to the south. A great, burly neighbor with too many guns, too many opinions, and just enough ambition to make it all work. The United States is flawed, sure, but it’s alive. It thrums with a pulse that Canada can only dream of. Americans don’t apologize for being loud; they apologize for nothing. Canadians, by contrast, apologize when you bump into them.

It’s clear what must happen. Canada must join the United States. It’s not a matter of "if" but "when." They need the muscle and the might. They need the bigness, the boldness. They need the recklessness of freedom, the beauty of unregulated fireworks, and the glory of being part of a country that puts cheese on everything, even salad.

But Canadians will resist. They’ll resist because they’re stubborn in the way people who don’t know better often are. They’ll cling to their loons and their toonies, their poutine and their hockey, even as their economy collapses like a poorly-built igloo. And we’ll have to drag them across the border, kicking and screaming in that polite way of theirs, offering a soft-spoken “excuse me” between grunts of defiance.

It’ll be worth it, though. One day, Canada will thank America for saving it. They’ll do it the way they do everything—with a quiet, hesitant nod and maybe a Tim Hortons gift card. And that’s fine. America doesn’t need their thanks. It just needs their land, their oil, and maybe their maple syrup. Call it Manifest Destiny 2.0, and this time, no moose will stand in the way.
 

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His supporters are un-Canadian because keeping Trudeau in power has resulted in contradictions of Canadian values.
For starters, supporting a government that violates the Canadian Charter of Rights is one example of being un-Canadian and contributing to the erosion of Canadian law and values.
Neglecting our borders is essentially treason.

How many more examples would you like?
Look, you dislike Trudeau. I get it. But where do you think you can say someone is un-Canadian? I mean, we could say that a lot of things Conservatives are doing are unCanadian, like trying to choke out socialized medicine through underfunding. So, get off your high horse. You have no moral authority to call anyone who supports a Canadian Prime Minister or political party anything.
 

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Quebec has no resources??? :confused:
Too many sourpusses who want to separate or worse want special Federal treatment. In this fantasy annexation, the U.S. isn't making French an official language. We're certainly not calling our loaded fries poutine.

Don't get cocky from making inroads in 1 election. The pendulum will swing back again by 28.
Of course, the pendulum will swing. The question is will it be as a result of a Gavin Newson next time or will it be because of a Midwest Democrat as the party flag bearer. In any event, I don't think these notions of labeling party ranks as religious conservatives or whatever has worked out well for Democrats. Even the Democrats' successful coalitions have been more diverse that they have recognized. Political consultants get paid too much to oversimplify.

Except we both know that the immigration system is both bipartisan and also works in Canadians' best interest, given the vanishing birth rate of native born Canadians and the continual need to import people.

PeePee is jerking off the standard rightie bullshit about "too many immigrants". But when - or if - the Pee gets in as PeeM, he will continue exactly the same immigration system - just like every other Canadian PeeM since Trudeau's daddy. Because it's the system that works for this country.
Canada's immigration system might not be working.
 

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Welcome back, Earp. I see your bullshit is flowing as freely as ever. Tonight you invent crap about the Trudeau liberals being anti American - apparently because they're "French in mind, not heart" or some shit like that. The Liberals like a good trade deal as much as the Tories.

Last time I checked, it was the assholes to the south who were threatening 25% tariffs and other bullshit. So don't blame Canada.
I never said anyone is anti-American. I simply say there is a great appeal to European Democratic Socialism. I would call it a temptation. I think Beav is around here somewhere trying to convince us that the European Union is doing great.

As far as the tariffs, let things work themselves out and see what is the result. Mexico is a truly unreliable partner and I think the U.S. is now going all-in on demanding total commitment from partners not just on trade.
 

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Too many sourpusses who want to separate or worse want special Federal treatment. In this fantasy annexation, the U.S. isn't making French an official language. We're certainly not calling our loaded fries poutine.
Separatist are long gone. the partie quebecois is still very popular except if they talk about separation. The 20 to 50 year old all speak English, are opened to the world and don't care about separation at all. We are long gone from 1994.

French will remain. Its so cool to speak more than one language.

Quebec, by its gigantic size, is full of natural resources. Biggest producer of electricity (via hydro) in Canada. the US would love it as we could electrify all of the east coast at a much better cost.

And besides our very open liberal values made us have the best girl in America, by far 😷
 
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Brexit has handcuffed Keir Starmer and Errol Musk wants his liver on a stick. I don\t see him serving out his term.

Keir Starmer appears to be a statist. I'm not sure what he offers the U.K.
 

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The Brits are doomed because of Brexit. It's just taking a while.

England is collapsing economically bit by bit. It's kept afloat by the financial sector in London.

Every small niche manufacturer is hampered - if not out and out destroyed by Brexit.

Explain to me how Brexit cannot but destroy the British manufacturing sector when there are now tariffs preventing it from trading with Europe?

Explain to me what Britain got in return of any value?
I think like Beaver you're ignoring one side of the equation. You're simply presuming the EU is doing fine based on a desire for it to be so.

Britain has challenges like any economy. Britain had already lost much manufacturing to Germany due to Germany's obsessive mercantilism.

It's possible the EU could work but not as a trade and monetary union. The monetary union for it to succeed long-term needs a strong fiscal union.
 

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Look, you dislike Trudeau. I get it. But where do you think you can say someone is un-Canadian? I mean, we could say that a lot of things Conservatives are doing are unCanadian, like trying to choke out socialized medicine through underfunding. So, get off your high horse. You have no moral authority to call anyone who supports a Canadian Prime Minister or political party anything.
It's ironic that you're telling me I don't have the right to speak my mind and voice my opinion.

THAT is why the left is in decline.

You summed it up in two sentences.
 

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all the major economies printed money and spent excessively (except Switzerland)
all the major economies experienced run away inflation (except Switzerland)

all the major economies have fired / are firing the moron political leaders who printed money and spent excessively

go figure ?

dont hold your breath thinking the repercussions of the money printing are over
we still have a crippling debt bomb that is going to burden several generation and will likely explode
Great post. Thank you for recognizing that Switzerland a small country that by all rights should have been swamped by this so-called uncontrollable global inflation. After all, they import a lot of products.

I don't know why progressive economists tried another shot at this crazy idea that inflation wasn't caused by printing money.

PS- I think Japan has done fairly well with inflation, but they had been in a long struggle with deflation.
 
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Let's be honest...the only reason why the US would ever want to take over Canada is because of our beer. It's better.
Perhaps the guys who seem to be lost on this idea that we want Canada's water think this is how they think we will get your water....... pint by pint, six pack by six pack.
 
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Trudeau as the political leader is responsible for fiscal policy in Canada
Trudeau acted irresponsibly
so yes he is to blame

telling Canadians that people elsewhere are experiencing inflation does not help Canadians who have to choose between paying rent and buying food for their kids
Ahhh, you're making too much sense John.

These guys think that because everyone jumped off the bridge it was all okay.
 
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I think like Beaver you're ignoring one side of the equation. You're simply presuming the EU is doing fine based on a desire for it to be so.

Britain has challenges like any economy. Britain had already lost much manufacturing to Germany due to Germany's obsessive mercantilism.

It's possible the EU could work but not as a trade and monetary union. The monetary union for it to succeed long-term needs a strong fiscal union.
Earp, it makes no sense for a nation to unilaterally withdraw from ALL its trade and tariff deals. Explain how this could not be so???

And if the EU is collapsing and dragging its membership down in a way you never explain, why is no one else leaving the EU?

Brexit and every other kind of "-exit" was explained as a political act of regaining border control, not as a coherent plan for obtaining an economic advantage. To the extent there was an "economic" argument, it was a chimp-brained reference to the era of Queen Victoria when Britain ruled world commerce - apparently just be being British. (Of course, all the arguments were horseshit.)
 
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Separatist are long gone. the partie quebecois is still very popular except if they talk about separation. The 20 to 50 year old all speak English, are opened to the world and don't care about separation at all. We are long gone from 1994.

French will remain. Its so cool to speak more than one language.

Quebec, by its gigantic size, is full of natural resources. Biggest producer of electricity (via hydro) in Canada. the US would love it as we could electrify all of the east coast at a much better cost.

And besides our very open liberal values made us have the best girl in America, by far 😷
I grant that it's possible. We don't hear talk about Catholics and protestants anymore. That's disappeared In our history books.
What go back has used separation as a political tool For a long time. They don't use it when things go well... But I think separation as a movement is just 1Bad economic term Away. A trump style leader Singing separation In response to a government that Prices prices for universities, Ends the pension plan, And privatizes healthcare... Yeah It'll come back.
 

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Too many sourpusses who want to separate or worse want special Federal treatment. In this fantasy annexation, the U.S. isn't making French an official language. We're certainly not calling our loaded fries poutine.
What about every time Texas rants about leaving the Union or wacko far right sites talk about "civil war" between the blue and red states??


Canada's immigration system might not be working.
In what sense?

It's doing just fine in its intended function of continually replenishing the under 40 years old work force.

There are issues with excessive demand for housing and housing price spiral. These are the same successes and failures as other countries with the same immigration strategy are experiencing - i.e. New Zealand and Australia. But those issues are also connected with an inflationary psychology re housing in general and failure of the provincial governments to stimulate housing starts.

The Toronto Sun continually stokes the racist feeding frenzy that a certain segment of the population has about non whites existing in our society - as with your rightie buddies on the board. But this is political horseshittery. When PeePee gets elected - as will likely happen - he will continue exactly the same immigration policy as Justin. The Toronto Sun simply won't run continual hit pieces blaming the Tories for black and brown people doing crime until before the next election. And at that point, they will suddenly start to write about how Canada needs the Tories to "crack down" on immigration. And then - if the Tories are re elected - the hit pieces will suddenly stop again until just before the next election. And Ottawa will continue exactly the same immigration policies as before.

Immigration is the biggest con game in the rightie political arsenal.
 

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Earp, it makes no sense for a nation to unilaterally withdraw from ALL its trade and tariff deals. Explain how this could not be so???

And if the EU is collapsing and dragging its membership down in a way you never explain, why is no one else leaving the EU?

Brexit and every other kind of "-exit" was explained as a political act of regaining border control, not as a coherent plan for obtaining an economic advantage. To the extent there was an "economic" argument, it was a chimp-brained reference to the era of Queen Victoria when Britain ruled world commerce - apparently just be being British. (Of course, all the arguments were horseshit.)
I don't want to have a long, complicated economic discussion on European economics.

You haven't made any case that the EU is doing great. The Brits are fucked is a politically-motivated declaration that has yet to be proven out on paper. I think the biggest problem the Brits have had was the Conservative party lost its dynamism and offered sluggish responses.

Now Starmer gets his turn. He however has that trump card that if his policies don't work he can always blame Brexit.
 

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I don't want to have a long, complicated economic discussion on European economics.
That's convenient for you, isn't it?
You haven't made any case that the EU is doing great. The Brits are fucked is a politically-motivated declaration that has yet to be proven out on paper. I think the biggest problem the Brits have had was the Conservative party lost its dynamism and offered sluggish responses.
I don't have to. I can rely on the argument that tariff and trade agreements are universally regarded as desirable - aside from yourself, it would seem.

If the EU has ups and downs, that still doesn't undermine the basic value of trade deals. Otherwise, why would anyone bother?
 

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What about every time Texas rants about leaving the Union or wacko far right sites talk about "civil war" between the blue and red states??
Are you talking about Parti Téxascois?

People in California joke around about leaving the Union and the rest of us joke that it will separate from the Union by way of an earthquake.
Don't be attracted to every headline like a shiny object.
 
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