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Some blogger in Boston is saying Soto has signed a monster deal with the Red Sox. No regular baseball reporters can back this up. The blogger has no history of breaking basenall news, but he did recently break the news the Bruins fired Montgomery.
 
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Some blogger in Boston is saying Soto has signed a monster deal with the Red Sox. No regular baseball reporters can back this up. The blogger has no history of breaking basenall news, but he did recently break the news the Bruins fired Montgomery.
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Jeff Passan is the most reliable when it comes to MLB insiders
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MLB Rumors: Jeff Passan Shuts Down Juan Soto And Boston Red Sox's Rapidly Spreading $600M+ Deal Reports

Jeff Passan comes to clear the air after rumors of Juan Soto and Boston Red Sox's $600 million spread like wildfire.
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Some blogger in Boston is saying Soto has signed a monster deal with the Red Sox. No regular baseball reporters can back this up. The blogger has no history of breaking basenall news, but he did recently break the news the Bruins fired Montgomery.
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The Internet is blowing up right now over this. This shit is crazy….. So what’s Guerrero going to be worth…… $500 000,000 over 12??😳

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… Actually, if Guerrero hits over 40 home runs next year, and then he goes to free agency, he’s going to be probably signing for more than Soto. This thing is getting out of hand. I anticipate a lockout very soon.. 2026 will have robotic strike zones and an MLB lockout I would think.

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…. so apparently the Mets have offered Juan Soto $730,000,000 over 15. For a .285 hitter that averages that 25 homeruns a season. This thing is not good and it’s getting out of hand.

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…. so apparently the Mets have offered Juan Soto $730,000,000 over 15. For a .285 hitter that averages that 25 homeruns a season. This thing is not good and it’s getting out of hand.

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I agree, that is insane.

Time for baseball to put hard salary caps in place similar to hockey. I like to see parity in sports leagues where different teams have a chance of winning it all.
 
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That’s ridiculous. What would have Jesse Barfield been worth as a free agent after he hit 40 home runs with 108 RBIs batting .289 in 1986? Perhaps 800 million?

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That was a career year for him. Never came anywhere near that again. But i agree, this contract will bite them in the ass big time.
 
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A massive part of the value of Soto is the 130-140 walks he gets a season which is far ahead of someone like Vlad. Can't just look at HR's and RBI's, because those don't really measure how someone can drive an offence. It's why his advanced stats like WAR, OPS+ are close to generational for his age. (WAR of 36 vs 21 vs Vlad, although Soto does have any extra 117 games played... so difference might be closer to 36 vs 25) Compared to Vlad his career OPS is .953 vs .863 and his OPS+ is 160 vs 137 -- big advantage for Soto.

They were close though 2024 -- but Soto has been much more consistent career wise than Vlad which is why their is such a large career differentials. He is probably the "safer" play moving forward due to his more consistent career.

That being said its a really big overpay in my view.
 
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That being said its a reasonable contract for the next 5 years. I'm sure there are deferrals in there such that the Present Value of his contract is probably somewhere between $40-$45M... and given Soto's WAR of 8.9 last year, your going to get more value than paying a couple free agents $45M. (Given elite ones are coming at $28-$35 this year like Adames, Burnes).

The real worry becomes 2032 and beyond.
 
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That being said its a reasonable contract for the next 5 years. I'm sure there are deferrals in there such that the Present Value of his contract is probably somewhere between $40-$45M... and given Soto's WAR of 8.9 last year, your going to get more value than paying a couple free agents $45M. (Given elite ones are coming at $28-$35 this year like Adames, Burnes).

The real worry becomes 2032 and beyond.
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No deferrals. The contract can reach $800 million if incentives and bonuses are met.
 
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No deferrals. The contract can reach $800 million if incentives and bonuses are met.
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No deferrals, wow.

Boras likes to bid teams up and this was the perfect conditions for it. Cohen with ridiculous money with the Mets. Red Sox looking to spend after quickly rebuilding their system and finding some cheap young talent to fill the holes, Jays desperate to do something. The bids were going to get high.

This is a much worse contract than Ohtani. Even though Ohtani was 10/700, with deferrals his PV was $46million and he should (at least for the next 5 years) have more impact. Both will have back end concerns as they hit their mid 30's.
 
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Jays are losers again and will watch all other top end free agents sign with other teams Be prepared to be watching the Bisons here in Toronto Next Season
 
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No deferrals, wow.

Boras likes to bid teams up and this was the perfect conditions for it. Cohen with ridiculous money with the Mets. Red Sox looking to spend after quickly rebuilding their system and finding some cheap young talent to fill the holes, Jays desperate to do something. The bids were going to get high.

This is a much worse contract than Ohtani. Even though Ohtani was 10/700, with deferrals his PV was $46million and he should (at least for the next 5 years) have more impact. Both will have back end concerns as they hit their mid 30's.
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The difference with Ohtani's signing is that it has already paid off. Ohtani will make the Dodgers tons of money off the field as well. Soto isn't as marketable and doesn't have the fan fare in the U.S. and especially outside the U.S. the way Ohtani does.
 
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