They believe that they can ban cars and that people will bicycle from Little Portugal or Cabbagetown to and from jobs in Brampton and Whitby..... They are dummies.
Ford passed the legislation for ripping up the bike lanes TODAY!!
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Except that it would work but it would piss off DoFo's suburban base.
Ford won't allow it for that reason but its the solution.
Killing bike lanes will slow the city down, neither Yonge or Bloor have been 2 lanes of traffic for a long time. You just get pockets of two lanes then bottle necks repeatedly.
Its not a solution.
Mandrill has this fantasy that he thinks everyone downtown works in Milton, a single day's drive during rush hour on the highways would clear that misconception up.
The congestion is people outside the city driving into the city, not his single neighbour who works in Whitby.
How laughable is this. Now lack of bike lanes has become a health crisis.
No wonder he had to include legislation blocking anyone from suing his government over deaths and injuries caused by cutting bike lanes.
Oh you mean like big pharma has immunity from covid vaccine injuries and death. Ride your bike in a safer location like a bike path or residential neighborhood.
What a frickin joke!
What did you expect would happen?
Fuckers from the suburbs and inner suburbs still stuck in a time and age that no long exists.
But of course, it couldn't have been:
- the sheer amount of idiot motor vehicle drivers overwhelming the roads
- construction, Ontario Line closures, Gardiner rehab road closures
- necessary stoplights
- motor vehicle gridlock
- motor vehicle blocking the the box
- motor vehicle illegal stopping/parking taking up a lane and blocking traffic
Not only are you against vaccines making people safer you're also against bike lanes that make people safer?
You don't absorb what people point out to you.
You can't suddenly ban / discourage cars in TO. The city isn't built for transit and bicycles, once you get out of the downtown core. It's under serviced with transit and it's too extensive. No one can bicycle from Cabbagetown to Brampton or Newmarket. It's not do-able.
Unlike London where you can get from the outer burbs like Croydon or Finchley directly to downtown by subway or above ground rail efficiently in 20 minutes, Toronto doesn't have that kind of transit service.
You have been told this repeatedly. You don't even acknowledge the argument or respond to it.
You simply post your photos of the DVP and 401 gridlocking.
You're like all the other bikies. Nothing exists outside your own woke world where no one should ever drive a car, no one lives or works in the outer burbs and everyone bikes around downtown where they both live and work.
What, you mean when a cyclist is injured or killed in a collision with a car, it doesn't matter who was at fault? Just blame the car driver, because they're in a car? I for one, would never put myself in danger by riding on that the road of that section of the Bayview Extension. Especially when there's a wide, dedicated bike lane that runs parallel to it. Not victim blaming, but why put yourself in danger when you don't have to. Doesn't make any sense to me.
I both cycle and drive in this city and rarely have a problem with vehicles when I ride. Probably because I obey the laws. I actually have a bigger problem with other cyclists (and pedestrians) who don't pay attention and have zero regard for the rules of the road. Food delivery riders are the worst. So many idiots.
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"Not only are you against vaccines making people safer you're also against bike lanes that make people safer"
No I just don't believe they do. And they don't calm traffic. They create it.
Santa Claus is more of a reality than anything you believe in.
There were studies backing up what I said.
For you?
Nothing.
Why is DoFo wasting $75 million to tear up bike lanes people use instead of fixing health care, education or homelessness.
All he wants to do is give away public services so donors can make bank, from the LCBO to healthcare.
Like this article states, the city can't be trusted when it comes to the cost estimate to remove the bike lanes. The city says it's going to cost double the amount to remove then than it did to install. How is that possible? Especially when the cost to install them included the price of the flexi-posts themselves. Maybe the city should open up bidding to all contractors for the removal. I bet they would find the price is far less than they what they've estimated. But that wouldn't support their narrative.
https://torontosun.com/news/provinc...e-bike-lanes-shows-city-staff-cant-be-trusted
WTF is there to absorb except your delusions blaming a few bike lanes instead of the millions of motor vehicles overwhelming, congesting, gridlocking every square centimeter of precious paved road space?
No one is banning cars. It's in your and their deluded head, this war on the car culture war bullshit. It's not the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s anymore though you believe it to be. And no amount of removing bike lanes will ever make your backwards looking wishes and dreams come true let alone ease motor vehicle caused congestion and gridlock one frickin bit.
In your above post, you basically state that the downtown core which I am sure based upon your previous posts refers also to the inner core of Toronto WAS/IS built for transit and bicycles! BUILT FOR BIKES you say! And now in the areas where the city is built for bikes, early election, culture war Doug wants to get rid of 3 bike lanes routes in the downtown and inner core. In the areas of the city where bike usage is the highest. What a load of delusional shit!
Who TF is "going to bicycle from Cabbagetown to Brampton or Newmarket", you opine? What are u frickin that delusional? You've lost your marbles on this bud.
I will tell you what you see, since you can't stomach to see the photos, on your effed up, congestion, gridlocked motor vehicle commutes.
It's millions of single occupancy vehicles in front of, behind, to the left and to the right, for as far as your bulging eyes can see taking up every square centimeter of paved tar that is the cause of single occupancy motor vehicle-ing mayhem.
Nothing exists outside of your backwards thinking coffin comfort of you and your precious car.
I agree with you that Toronto has a large workforce that comes from outside of the city every day. That being said, they also have many events that are well attended by those from outside of the city limits. Here's where I disagree with you about the levies. There are already levies(taxes) on the things people come into the city for, whether they are collected by the city, the province or the feds. Toronto cries poor and one level of the government or another hands them some money. Just recently the city claimed how much Taylor Swift and her fan base would bring to the city. So the city made bank on this one event and this is just one, among many events that they host. There would be an outcry from all who come here, if they had to pay an additional levy, when they've paid one or more on whatever they came into the city for. You blame Ford here, about levies and him standing up for the suburbs. If it was that easy, then why didn't the liberals allow the city to do this under Wynne or McGuinty? My memory is fuzzy on this, but I believe they were approached over it, in one way or another, and denied the city this form of taxation.
As for the bike lanes, I maintain that they help cause gridlock. A highway study from many years ago showed that closing down one lane of a three lane highway, reduced the highway by 50%. I can't quote figures about a two lane roadway, but I'm sure it has to be over a 50% reduction in traffic flow. There are secondary routes, where this impact will not be felt.
As well, this city has always been anti-car, thinking that their "world class" transit system was the answer to everything (that's a whole other story). Fast forward to today, where they embrace the buzz words of the day and say that they are going "green" for the people of Toronto and they are going to save the environment, and small special interest group, like cyclists, who seem to get their way here, get the bike lanes that they have always wanted. Here's the problem with how they go about doing it. They don't use any common sense. Plain and simple. They want them on the main roads for exposure, showing their commitment to the "green" movement. Better planning could have save the city a lot of headaches and it could serve everyone, not just one group. If you are indeed a "world class" city, then you need to address your issue with common sense and real answers to what is needed. I'm not saying no to any bike lanes, I'm just saying that there are better alternatives to the way that they've done it.
You think DoFo can be trusted with numbers?
Here's a question, if you're crossing east-west in this city, is Dundas faster than College/Carlton?
One of those has bike lanes, one doesn't.
If the DoFo argument is true there should be a massive difference.
Bro, you have no credibility anymore regarding this topic.
Citing an opinion piece by Brian Lilley of the "credible" Toronto Sun just reinforces your lack of credibility.
You got Denzie Minnan-Wrong citing a 2011 paint job to cover up the Jarvis St. bike lane and perpetually campaigning for mayor, sore loser Brad Bradford opining about costs as smoking gun witnesses to the cost of removal.
Bro, how low can you go?
If you want less traffic you need to encourage alternates to driving.
Biking and transit are the two best options, they take up way less road space than cars per person.
Check this photo, you think traffic would be better with those people in 8 cars?
