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[Shaquille Oatmeal]

economic growth without democratic freedom and human right is not success

That people dont have freedom at all in China is a Western myth designed to malign the nation as it is an economic rival.
I agree there are human rights abuses committed by the Chinese government.
But western nations do it too.
Perhaps a bit less than China, but abuse is abuse.
Without freedoms there can be no economic success.
The Soviet Union is a good example of this.
They left behind economic ruin.
China is not in this category.
The fact there is economic success means there is freedom.
May be not the freedoms of expression we have, but their people are okay with it.
So for all intents and purposes, China is a resounding and emphatic success story.

 

[JohnLarue]

Stop being soangryyyyy!!! Not everyone's need can be met but treat them with hate won't arrange anything. The nuance is to not invalidate people like that. Put them in a climate of violence and segregation. It's like basic decency.

treating all equally is not treating them with hatred
"equally" should be self explanatory

 

[Bucktee]

But it is not just opinions that are different.
Needs as well.
illegal immigrants have different needs and challenges.

The only need for illegals is that they need to leave the country.

Governments represent citizens, not illegals.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

The only need for illegals is that they need to leave the country.

No.
Illegal immigrants who are criminals should be deported immediately.
The rest should be allowed to stay with a path to citizenship.
Cruel and inhumane treatment of people should be avoided.
Its just a piece of paper in the end.

 

[Josephine]

treating all equally is not treating them with hatred
"equally" should be self explanatory

But you are! Deporting people who pays taxes and made their life here withoutbeing criminal, women are being bullied online with "your body, my choice" litteraly everywhere, trans and lgbtq are scared to walk in the street so yes, absolutely can we leave the hate aside?!

 

[Bucktee]

No.
Illegal immigrants who are criminals should be deported immediately.

Absolutely.

The rest should be allowed to stay with a path to citizenship.

Why?

Cruel and inhumane treatment of people should be avoided.

Illegals leaving the country is neither cruel or inhumane.

Its just a piece of paper in the end.

No, it's not. It's rights enforced by the government.

 

[DesRicardo]

If you enter illegally, you have to go back.

The votes have been counted and the people have spoken.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Why?

Because many of them have been there for decades.
Have jobs, businesses, families and are upstanding citizens.
So ripping them apart from their families and uprooting their lives, is cruel and inhumane.
I hope with this administration we won't come to witness such things happening.
Legality is less important than human rights.
Just give these people a path to citizenship while at the same time improving border security.
So going forward you want have to deal with such situations.

 

[DesRicardo]

 

[JuanGoodman]

But you are! Deporting people who pays taxes and made their life here withoutbeing criminal, women are being bullied online with "your body, my choice" litteraly everywhere, trans and lgbtq are scared to walk in the street so yes, absolutely can we leave the hate aside?!

if anybody breaks the law then they should be charged accordingly

that's what being treated equally means

 

[Bucktee]

Because many of them have been there for decades.
Have jobs, businesses, families and are upstanding citizens.

Earlier you said that criminals should be deported. Every illegal immigrant is a criminal.

Is it your opinion that I should be able to take up residence in any country on the planet illegally and be given a pathway to citizenship?

So ripping them apart from their families and uprooting their lives, is cruel and inhumane.

Families don't have to be ripped apart. They can all be deported together.

Just give these people a path to citizenship while at the same time improving border security.
So going forward you want have to deal with such situations.

There is room for compromise.

Are you saying that we give a pathway to all current illegals but from today forward, all new illegals should be deported?

How about anchor babies? What do you think about the rules surrounding them.

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1855000938567635431

 

[Josephine]

if anybody breaks the law then they should be charged accordingly

that's what being treated equally means

You guys don't feel like it's dehumanizing?

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By the way, I love her so much too.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Earlier you said that criminals should be deported. Every illegal immigrant is a criminal.

It is your opinion that I should be able to take up residence in any country on the planet illegally and be given a pathway to citizenship?
Families don't have to be ripped apart. They can all be deported together.
There is room for compromise.

Are you saying that from today forward, all new illegals should be deported?

I am taking about illegal immigrants who engage in drug or violent crime.
Simply being present without papers is not what am referring to.
Many of these families are US citizens.
The children are born here and their spouses could be US citizens.
So yes, you would rip apart families if you engage in mass deportations.
Improving border security and fixing the legal immigration system should help reduce illegal immigration.
It will never be zero. But you can reduce it.
If someone is a recent illegal immigrant or have overstayed the visa, then a removal order is not wrong as they wouldn't have had time to put down roots.
But the 11M+ who are already here, need to be treated with compassion.
What is done is done. Look forward and remove the criminal ones and let the others live their lives.

 

[Frankfooter]

Apart from Michigan do you have anything to say about all the other swing states Trump won?

Yes, the combo of losing Muslim, youth vote and those who couldn't vote for genocide cost Harris the election.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854983284830486963

 

[Bucktee]

I am taking about illegal immigrants who engage in drug or violent crime.
Simply being present without papers is not what am referring to.
Many of these families are US citizens.
The children are born here and their spouses could be US citizens.
So yes, you would rip apart families if you engage in mass deportations.
Improving border security and fixing the legal immigration system should help reduce illegal immigration.
It will never be zero. But you can reduce it.
If someone is a recent illegal immigrant or have overstayed the visa, then a removal order is not wrong as they wouldn't have had time to put down roots.
But the 11M+ who are already here, need to be treated with compassion.
What is done is done. Look forward and remove the criminal ones and let the others live their lives.

You can physically secure a border all you want, but if policy exists that allow illegals to circumvent the law such as 'parole in place' then you only incentivize more illegal immigration.

I don't know if such examples are included in your "fixing the legal immigration system" proposal.

How about an illegal that has been in the USA for decades then commits robbery or murder. Should they be deported or do they get to stay because they've "planted roots"?

 

[JuanGoodman]

You guys don't feel like it's dehumanizing?

Kathleen Martinez on Instagram: "It’s waiver time yall #undocumented #paroleinplace"

21K likes, 1,140 comments - attorneymartinez on November 7, 2024: "It’s waiver time yall #undocumented #paroleinplace".

www.instagram.com

By the way, I love her so much too.

again, forest for the trees

you are not seeing the big picture

how many people do you think this decision affects?

1 thousand, 10 thousand?

how is it even an issue compare to millions who can't afford proper food and shelter at this time?

 

[JohnLarue]

That people dont have freedom at all in China is a Western myth designed to malign the nation as it is an economic rival.

WTF??

They do not have the freedom to remove the ruling commie party via the vote nor the freedom to criticize the regime via free speech
they have been murdering their citizens for 80 years in this evil failed experiment. They have only become an economic rival in the last 20 years

20 to 50 million (or more) of their own people. more dead bodies than the poster boy for evil , Hitler, and more than the monster Stalin
Are you going to give them a pass too ?

I agree there are human rights abuses committed by the Chinese government.
But western nations do it too.
Perhaps a bit less than China, but abuse is abuse.

a bit less / more?

a western politician who abuses human rights faces defeat by the citizens via the ballot box , criminal charges and prison
a Chinese politician who abuses human rights faces a promotion within the party, increased wealth and power provided the abuses aligns with party objectives

Without freedoms there can be no economic success.

This is where the discussion should have come to a full stop

The Soviet Union is a good example of this.
They left behind economic ruin.
China is not in this category.

Wrong
China imported the commie ideals from the Soviet Union

The fact there is economic success means there is freedom.

Again, no it does not
Without the right to remove the rulers via the vote it is not freedom
Without the right to remove the rulers via the vote it is not freedom
Without the right to remove the rulers via the vote it is not freedom

May be not the freedoms of expression we have, but their people are okay with it.

WTF ???
The people are OK with it because they know they stop breathing if they are not
Murdering 20 to 50 million (or more) of the citizen's tends to ensure compliance

So for all intents and purposes, China is a resounding and emphatic success story.

No it is a very sad disaster and its just plain evil
Just look at the body count

 

[jimidean2011]

Have you guys settle on wether or not you will be drinking bleach in the next pandemic?

Not necessary, here, you can drink mine

 

[Frankfooter]

just like to point out that

1. I am not angry at all

2. the only person that mentioned "hate" is you

3. the only person that mentioned "violence and segregation" is also you

but in order to offer an olive branch to you

I suggest that we all see ourselves first as human beings and take care of one another first

if any goverment can't solve basic issues of homelessness or hunger for all it's citizens

then they have no right to bring up more complex issues of different individual groups

This thread is 'IN YOUR FACE LEFTIES...."
You really declaring that right wingers are civil?