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Ford passed the legislation for ripping up the bike lanes TODAY!!

wigglee

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I like some bike lanes and hate others. I generally think city hall is a bunch of idiots, but Ford has no right to meddle in the city's affairs. He's been screwing with the city ever since his brother was ousted and Druggie lost the mayoral race.
 
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basketcase

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Is it fair to assume that Ford wants the city to pay for everything?

If Ford thinks the province should be in charge of city roads, he'd better pick up the tab for their maintenance.
 

basketcase

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:rolleyes:

You'll end up getting charged and having a court date.
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As I understand it, a cyclist only has to pull to the right where it is safe to do so.

There are several underpasses near me where there is no bailout option for cyclists so I will take up enough of the lane to make sure that I'm safe,

Stay to the right
Ride in a straight line on the right-hand side of the road at least one metre from the curb or from parked cars, where practical.

When being passed, stay as close to the right side of the road as you can. You are allowed to use any part of the lane for safety reasons such as avoiding obstacles in your lane.

You do not need to stay to the right when:

  • preparing to turn left
  • passing another vehicle
  • you are going faster than other vehicles
  • the lane is too narrow to share
 

mandrill

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As I understand it, a cyclist only has to pull to the right where it is safe to do so.

There are several underpasses near me where there is no bailout option for cyclists so I will take up enough of the lane to make sure that I'm safe,

Stay to the right
Ride in a straight line on the right-hand side of the road at least one metre from the curb or from parked cars, where practical.

When being passed, stay as close to the right side of the road as you can. You are allowed to use any part of the lane for safety reasons such as avoiding obstacles in your lane.

You do not need to stay to the right when:

  • preparing to turn left
  • passing another vehicle
  • you are going faster than other vehicles
  • the lane is too narrow to share
All of which is sensible and a lot different to riding slowly in the middle of a car lane to deliberately drive motorists trapped behind you crazy.
 

mandrill

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Is it fair to assume that Ford wants the city to pay for everything?

If Ford thinks the province should be in charge of city roads, he'd better pick up the tab for their maintenance.
I don't think it's going to work out like that.
 

mandrill

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I like some bike lanes and hate others. I generally think city hall is a bunch of idiots, but Ford has no right to meddle in the city's affairs. He's been screwing with the city ever since his brother was ousted and Druggie lost the mayoral race.
Except he does with transportation stuff, if it's significant enough.

The benchmark was City Hall wanting to tear down the Gardiner and create holy fucking chaos throughout the entire region. Just no. The province has to step in.

The bike lanes are in the grey area. Ford's being pushed by his developer bag-men and the recent collapse of the downtown condo market, which coincided with a series of articles on "Toronto's gridlock". This is what sparked stupid like the "tunnel beneath the 401".

The concern with the bike lanes is that the bikies - like Anny - also talk about MORE bike lanes and closing downtown Toronto to traffic and generally snarl out "war on car" slogans. Anny does this continually with his dumb "bottleneck" graphics and photos of the DVP and 401 jammed with cars and ranting about how the future has to have less cars.

If commonsense pushback starts with ripping up the Bloor bike lane, then at least it sends a signal.
 

mandrill

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It's been proven for over 50 years, induced demand. Adding more lanes just adds more cars, it doesn't solve congestion.


More people adds more cars, not more lanes. You keep adding more people to the GTA, you will also add more cars. And then you will need more lanes.

It's not hard to figure this out.
 

mandrill

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Seriously, I ride the College Street bike lanes and there there is no way they can fit three abreast.
So here you go. Bike lanes east and west on College St.

Almost unused. Wide enough for three riders abreast - on EACH side of the street. That's room for 6 bikes at a time. And buffeted with a huge fat curb. That's 2 entire car lanes.

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Frankfooter

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So here you go. Bike lanes east and west on College St.

Almost unused. Wide enough for three riders abreast - on EACH side of the street. That's room for 6 bikes at a time. And buffeted with a huge fat curb. That's 2 entire car lanes.



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I see one cyclist and no moving cars heading towards us, just a lot of parked cars taking up space that could be used by commuters.
 

Frankfooter

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Do you really think everyone will ride their bike all over the city all the time.
Of course not.

But the numbers are way up with more bike lanes and that means fewer people in cars and more space for roads.
Downtown businesses love bike lanes, cyclists can stop where ever they want for shopping or food.

Cities that put in more bikes are safer and everyone ends up getting around faster.
 

roddermac

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Of course not.

But the numbers are way up with more bike lanes and that means fewer people in cars and more space for roads.
Downtown businesses love bike lanes, cyclists can stop where ever they want for shopping or food.

Cities that put in more bikes are safer and everyone ends up getting around faster.
The numbers are up because the city is unaffordable and parking is too expensive and hard to find. Condo developers no longer offer parking spaces yet the cities population keeps increasing with little to no new transit options available.
 

Frankfooter

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The numbers are up because the city is unaffordable and parking is too expensive and hard to find. Condo developers no longer offer parking spaces yet the cities population keeps increasing with little to no new transit options available.
The numbers are up because its cheaper, better for you, takes about the same amount of time except that you will know how long it takes you.
If I drive or ttc across the city it could take me 20 minutes or an hour by car or transit but by bike I know how long it will take.
 

Anbarandy

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Except he does with transportation stuff, if it's significant enough.

The benchmark was City Hall wanting to tear down the Gardiner and create holy fucking chaos throughout the entire region. Just no. The province has to step in.

The bike lanes are in the grey area. Ford's being pushed by his developer bag-men and the recent collapse of the downtown condo market, which coincided with a series of articles on "Toronto's gridlock". This is what sparked stupid like the "tunnel beneath the 401".

The concern with the bike lanes is that the bikies - like Anny - also talk about MORE bike lanes and closing downtown Toronto to traffic and generally snarl out "war on car" slogans. Anny does this continually with his dumb "bottleneck" graphics and photos of the DVP and 401 jammed with cars and ranting about how the future has to have less cars.

If commonsense pushback starts with ripping up the Bloor bike lane, then at least it sends a signal.
1) Bike lanes are insignificant, especially Toronto's. And all of this nonsense about Europe being different than Toronto when other large Canadian cities such as Montreal and get this Calgary and Edmonton have more extensive bike lanes yet you don't hear the car hog whiners and crybabies over in those cities raise a royal stink about really nothing at all because cars, cars, cars are the culprits in congestion and gridlock.

2) You really are a clueless, misinformed sort regarding City of Toronto council, issues, votes etc. City Hall did not want to tear down the Gardiner. Majority right-wing city councilors along with the right-wing mayor, John Tory voted to spend billions over a decade to send the Gardiner for reconstructive surgery and facelift it's eastern arc to the DVP a few inches to the north. Nip, tuck, Snip, snap. All of which has led directly to the traffic gridlock and congestion on the Gardiner, ingress into egress out of and surrounding area mayhem. This, my dear crybaby single occupancy vehicle driver fucks, not fuckin bike lanes, is causing congestion. You wanted it, you got it!
 

Anbarandy

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So here you go. Bike lanes east and west on College St.

Almost unused. Wide enough for three riders abreast - on EACH side of the street. That's room for 6 bikes at a time. And buffeted with a huge fat curb. That's 2 entire car lanes.

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Where the frick is this bike lane induced congestion on College St. West that you incessantly cry you about?

Show me the bike lane caused congestion on College St. West?

I don't see the congestion; do you see it?

Where is the congestion?
 
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Leimonis

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Just like in Amsterdam, they built an extensive bike network and everyone uses it as it's the best way to get around.
Yeah also it’s flat and warm so there this
 
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