Nazi bund 'pro american' rally at madison square garderns 2.0

[richaceg]

OK, since you are detached from reality, I'm not sure if there is any point in bringing a factual rebuttal here. Regurgitating Trump's talking points are not a good strategy, since we all know he is full of shit. And, let's not forget, he's openly talking about punishing late night comics because they were mean to him....That doesn't sound like someone who respects or defends the first amendment. In fact, he sounds like a wannabe dictator who will punish those who don't kiss his ass.

Typical lefty response... aggressive without making a point.

 

[silentkisser]

Typical lefty response... aggressive without making a point.

Typical right response, deflecting without any thought or bringing anything of substance.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

Was he a "fascist" his first term? Looks like Fascism when you inject a candidate without going to the primaries....weaponize the DOJ going after the toughest political opponent - Something Putin did, Kim Jong did...LOL....Let's face it... Trump's administration didn't suppress the mainstream media that alone tells you he's not fascist...he didn't go after his opponents, freedom of speech were not violated...so yeah...the dems are exercising everything they accuse Trump with...

Remember crooked Joe Biden and crooked Hillary and years of investigating hunter for unpaid taxes? Trump was too busy wraponizing his DOJ trying to shield himself from his many many crimes

 

[richaceg]

Remember crooked Joe Biden and crooked Hillary and years of investigating hunter for unpaid taxes? Trump was too busy wraponizing his DOJ trying to shield himself from his many many crimes

Hunter isn't a political opponent...

 

[richaceg]

Typical right response, deflecting without any thought or bringing anything of substance.

Obviously you're just following what I said....just like Kamala's no tax on tips...

 

[kherg007]

You said "he asked the military to shoot protesters"...yet he made a remark about people looting not protesting. i.e. looters. He said "if the looting starts the shooting starts". But you somehow attempt to paint a different narrative.

That in itself is proof of how the left twists reality to suit their narrative which is why people are seeing through the bs and still support someone who calls out their bullshit.

The classified documents case was dismissed. More bs narrative twisting.

If you claim to be intelligent and choose to ignore the fact that Biden was pushed aside undemocratically and replaced with Harris I can't really help you here.

These are quotes from his chief of staff and other staffers. About protesters.
The documents case will be reinstated as the basis for dismissal was adjudicated in every court in the land, including Supreme Court, and yet Judge cannon made a decision exactly opposite to that longstanding and settled opinion.

Also, you quickly classify and distort. I've never been the left. Always centre-right. But I believe in facts.
I am bothered by the Biden situation. But he was ultimately convinced to drop out. He chose to do so. He was not chased out by a mob. I wish the Ds had a runoff. I wish it was not Kamala.
But I'm way more bothered by the guy assembling a mob to try overturn an election by force. The same guy who said he wants to suspend the constitution and be a dictator on day 1. The same guy who's compromised by Putin, doesn't know what NATO is or does, doesn't understand what a tariff is, who led the worst response to covid of any advanced country and for whom the vast majority of the people who worked with him as president, including his VP, say he is unfit for the job.

 

[Skoob]

I think you might be missing the point here as well. NOBODY asked for these dictatorships. Do you think the majority of people were consulted and gave their consent? And none of them dressed themselves up as a choice.

So, to bring it all back to today, there is no policy of Harris's or the Democrats that are remotely communist. They might lean a little socialist, but that doesn't mean communist. But nuance has not been the right's friend. So, they blather on about how medicare for all is socialism or proves someone is a marxist. Which...just proves they have no idea what those words mean. And....from the bullshit you're trying to push above, you don't really seem to have these concepts down to well either..

Fascist regimes sold dictatorships by the very nature of the platform of the leaders that came to power.
Communist regimes sold a lie in that they promised "temporary dictatorships" to usher in Socialism then ended up being permanent Communist dictatorships. Every time.

Read a book. Educate yourself on history.
You may want to start with Karl Marx to draw parallels between Socialism/Communism and what the modern left is preaching.
I think you'll be surprised.

 

[Skoob]

These are quotes from his chief of staff and other staffers. About protesters.
The documents case will be reinstated as the basis for dismissal was adjudicated in every court in the land, including Supreme Court, and yet Judge cannon made a decision exactly opposite to that longstanding and settled opinion.

Also, you quickly classify and distort. I've never been the left. Always centre-right. But I believe in facts.
I am bothered by the Biden situation. But he was ultimately convinced to drop out. He chose to do so. He was not chased out by a mob. I wish the Ds had a runoff. I wish it was not Kamala.
But I'm way more bothered by the guy assembling a mob to try overturn an election by force. The same guy who said he wants to suspend the constitution and be a dictator on day 1. The same guy who's compromised by Putin, doesn't know what NATO is or does, doesn't understand what a tariff is, who led the worst response to covid of any advanced country and for whom the vast majority of the people who worked with him as president, including his VP, say he is unfit for the job.

So now you say it wasn't Trump who said that? But your previous narrative suggests he did? Do you always use hearsay as your moral compass? Serious question.
The documents case was a sham and won't go anywhere.

"by force" with no weapons. Lol!

"Convinced to drop out"....you really think Biden chose to do so? Ironic that a party called the "Democratic Party" staged a coup and bypassed a democratic process to choose their leader after willfully hiding his mental state for years.
Think about that for a moment before you respond.

 

[Skoob]

Right. Sure. I see Sweden, Norway, Canada, the UK, France and Germany all have socialist governments and policies. Are they all becoming Communist?

And, let's not pretend that Trump isn't trying to install himself as a fascist or wannabe dictator. He basically says it fairly frequently in his speeches...

All those countries rely on capitalism.
Do you know where most of Norway's wealth comes from?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Except for the ones that watched CNN after the MSG rally and were looking at hypocritical stones to throw.

They watched this disaster for sure.
Just like when Bill Burr did and obliterated Tony. Lol.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Dude, there are communist parties in nearly every democratic nation. Nepal and a few other places re-elected communists....but in nearly every instance of a communist government, it was seized by power.

But, let's face facts: on paper, communism sounds wonderful. Everyone gets all they need. Reality is different.

Now, let's look at the US's capitalist society...they have a thin social safety net, but there are massive gaps that people fall through. There is a growing wealth inequity, where billionaires and corporations are able to minimize their tax burden....which grows on the working or middle class. HOWEVER....there is some socialism. I keep seeing subsidies to corporations to build plants or drill & refine oil. When there are economic headwinds, the government has no problem bailing out bankers who made risky bets. That is the definition of socialism. So, why shouldn't citizens enjoy the same as faceless corporations?

But....again, the strawman argument that Harris and the Democrats are marxist just shows the ignorance of those people who foolishly use words they don't understand.

Am not saying communism is good or bad.
Am only saying communism and democracy are not incompatible.

 

[kherg007]

So now you say it wasn't Trump who said that? But your previous narrative suggests he did? Do you always use hearsay as your moral compass? Serious question.
The documents case was a sham and won't go anywhere.

"by force" with no weapons. Lol!

"Convinced to drop out"....you really think Biden chose to do so? Ironic that a party called the "Democratic Party" staged a coup and bypassed a democratic process to choose their leader after willfully hiding his mental state for years.
Think about that for a moment before you respond.

His staff quoting Trump. Kelly quoting Trump. They're quoting him saying those things.
Weapons?!?!? Beating cops with hockey sticks? Fire extinguishers? Zip ties? Flagpoles? Bear spray? Testimony from his aides saying trump saying get rid of the magnotometers so his people could get in, and saying "they're not here to hurt me". This is all public record. "Get rid of the fucking mags" his assistent testified under oath saying Trump said this.
Attitude is not a substitute to fact BTW.

 

[Leimonis]

Am not saying communism is good or bad.
Am only saying communism and democracy are not incompatible.

Looking at the font on musks hat, it’s the opposite of communism that we all should worry about

 

[Valcazar]

I think you might be missing the point here as well. NOBODY asked for these dictatorships. Do you think the majority of people were consulted and gave their consent? And none of them dressed themselves up as a choice.

I dunno.
Skoob was saying the communists didn't claim to be dictatorships and then were, while the right wing parties claimed to be dictatorships and then were.
So you are getting a dictatorship either way, but the right wing is honest about it.
Or something.

 

[Valcazar]

Hunter isn't a political opponent...

No, he's the family of a political opponent.
Trump thinks going after families is fair game.

 

[richaceg]

No, he's the family of a political opponent.
Trump thinks going after families is fair game.

You really think Trump went after Hunter for being son of Joe or for commiting crimes?
I'm curious about your input...Do you believe Trump is Fascist? and will be just like Hitler?

 

[Valcazar]

You really think Trump went after Hunter for being son of Joe

Yes.
Obviously.
They were going after him for years as a way to get to Joe Biden.
It's not like they were subtle about it.

I'm curious about your input...Do you believe Trump is Fascist? and will be just like Hitler?

Trump is a Fascist, yes.
It's not a particularly useful description, but it applies.
I'm with Paxton on this.

-- [Paxton] told me that he doesn’t believe using the word is politically helpful in any way, but he confirmed the diagnosis. “It’s bubbling up from below in very worrisome ways, and that’s very much like the original fascisms,” Paxton said. “It’s the real thing. It really is.” --

Obviously Trump won't be just like Hitler.
It's an entirely different country and historical context.
Trump and Trumpism won't be just like Hitler and Nazism.
None of the fascisms have been identical to one another.

 

[richaceg]

Yes.
Obviously.
They were going after him for years as a way to get to Joe Biden.
It's not like they were subtle about it.



Trump is a Fascist, yes.
It's not a particularly useful description, but it applies.
I'm with Paxton on this.

-- [Paxton] told me that he doesn’t believe using the word is politically helpful in any way, but he confirmed the diagnosis. “It’s bubbling up from below in very worrisome ways, and that’s very much like the original fascisms,” Paxton said. “It’s the real thing. It really is.” --

Obviously Trump won't be just like Hitler.
It's an entirely different country and historical context.
Trump and Trumpism won't be just like Hitler and Nazism.
None of the fascisms have been identical to one another.

So how will Trump pull "fascism" as a president? in a republic that boasts itself on freedom...I mean, there were no signs of "fascism" in his first term...i mean lets face it...MSM had a field day when Trump was in office and protests weren't dealt with "fascism".. I grew up in a country where Journalists were executed for criticizing the Gov't...protesters are beaten up, protest leaders disappear.Polticial opposition disappear. I don't think it's going to happen under Trump...I just don't see it.

 

[Valcazar]

So how will Trump pull "fascism" as a president? in a republic that boasts itself on freedom...I mean, there were no signs of "fascism" in his first term...i mean lets face it...MSM had a field day when Trump was in office and protests weren't dealt with "fascism".. I grew up in a country where Journalists were executed for criticizing the Gov't...protesters are beaten up, protest leaders disappear.Polticial opposition disappear. I don't think it's going to happen under Trump...I just don't see it.

There were lots of signs of "fascism" in his first term.
The entire rhetoric he used, obviously, but also his weaponization of the DOJ to go after his political enemies. His attempts to have protesters beaten up.
He failed to execute, but that doesn't mean he didn't try.
Now, you may be right that you just can't see him being more successful the second time around. That seems to be the position lots of people are taking.
I don't think "he is BAD at it" is a particularly compelling argument, though.

 

[The Oracle]

There were lots of signs of "fascism" in his first term.
The entire rhetoric he used, obviously, but also his weaponization of the DOJ to go after his political enemies.

The hypocrisy of this statement is astounding....