No country will ever waive immunity to have their diplomats questioned or charged.
Whether or not they committed crimes.
Are you that naive?
Trudeau harming relations between India and Canada?
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Whether or not they committed crimes.
Are you that naive?
What a joke, that the rest of the world will be laughing, if they bring up such an allegation against Canada!!Even the Americans...
India is withdrawing its High Commissioner from Canada after Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau again accused India of masterminding the June 18, 2023, killing of Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar outside the Guru Nanak Gurdwara in Surrey, British Columbia. To back his accusation that India’s intelligence service conducted the hit, Trudeau said that US intelligence affirmed his conclusion. This was false. While American intelligence supplied Canada with raw data after Nijjar’s murder, Trudeau mischaracterised it.
India Should Designate Canada as a State Sponsor of Terror
India is withdrawing its High Commissioner from Canada after Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau again accused India of masterminding the June 18, 2023, killing of Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar outside the Guru Nanak Gurdwara in Surrey, British Columbia. To back his accusation...www.aei.org
Sikh militants in both Canada and California are deeply involved in organised crime and gang violence. When US intelligence has information about pending assassinations, it warns not only friends but also adversaries in advance; more than two decades ago, the United States even warned arch-enemy Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, about a pending attempt on his life. What happened in Canada’s case was more mundane: After a gangland hit, the United States sought to give Canada access to the routine but indiscriminate chatter.
Trudeau, shocked by the diplomatic crisis his offhand accusation against India sparked, dug in his heels to suggest US endorsement to his false accusation.
After almost nine years in office, Canadians are frustrated at Trudeau’s vacuity and condescension. Under the Trudeau administration, progressive virtue signaling trumps competence. Canadians chafed under draconian Covid-19 restrictions. They grew frustrated with bleak job prospects, poor inflation, and corruption scandals. While Trudeau might stave off elections for another year, polls show him losing to his conservative opposition by upwards of ten percent.
Perhaps Trudeau believed the volume and frequency of the accusation could trump truth. He also may believe that doubling down on Sikh militants might win him votes in key districts. On both points, he is wrong.
First, to misapply “Five Eyes” intelligence for his own political fortunes has created a crisis in the group’s intelligence sharing. Both the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency resented Trudeau’s desire to place them in a position where journalists asked them to confirm or deny his statements as doing so could betray sources and methods or spark a diplomatic incident if forced to call Trudeau a liar publicly.
Second, Trudeau errs by confusing militancy with legitimate religion. More mature or substantive leaders might recognise they had a problem. This was the case in the United Kingdom, for example, which five years ago appointed an Independent Faith Engagement Adviser to study and document religious extremism on British soil. The resulting Bloom Review covered the panoply of religious belief but its findings with regard to Sikhism were especially insightful. It found Khalistan activists relied on government ignorance and targeted the authentic Sikh community to further their fringe cause. The Bloom Review concluded, “Subversive, aggressive and sectarian actions of some pro-Khalistan activists and the subsequent negative effect on wider Sikh communities should not be tolerated.”
Trudeau’s behaviour has backfired in another way: By again sparking an international crisis by releasing a slapdash review to justify his accusations after-the-fact, Trudeau has again focused attention on Canada’s permissiveness toward Sikh terrorism and terror finance. Both Trudeau’s father Pierre and now Justin himself not only tolerated Khalistan militancy, but they also transformed Canada into a safe-haven for terror and terror finance, all for a cause financed and directed by an intelligence service in a foreign capital more than 10,600 km from Ottawa.
Subjectivity often trumps objectivity when US and Western governments designate terror sponsors. Washington may complain that North Korea runs a criminal economy, runs ransomware schemes, or hacks banks and that Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is as much a money-laundering conglomerate as it is a military organisation. The basis of the State Department’s more controversial designation of Cuba is that the Cuban regime offers safe-haven to those who committed or masterminded past terrorism on US soil.
Subjectivity also corrupts the Financial Action Task Force, hence Pakistan’s release from the grey list under Chinese pressure, or Turkey’s release with Russian intercession.
Many other governments, especially in the Global South, are correct to accuse the West of hypocrisy when they refuse to recognise their own complicity in the same behaviour for which they blame others.
Here, Canada checks all the boxes. After Khalistani terrorists blew up Air India Flight 182, ignorance can be no excuse about the movement’s lethality. Left unchecked, the Khalistani extremists Trudeau’s government shelters can be as lethal as Al Qaeda. The movement would be impotent without funding, however. Here, Canadian banks are as complicit as the Arab and Somali hawala agent who ultimately helped move money around prior to Al Qaeda’s 1998 East Africa embassy bombings and the September 11, 2001, terror attacks in New York and Washington.
Canada is not alone. Illicit funding transits many countries. Some like Cyprus, Armenia, and Jamaica close loopholes and crackdown; they have become part of the solution rather than part of the problem. Turkey, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, and Iran do not care. Trudeau, unfortunately, now aligns Canada with the latter camp.
Subjectivity, be it in the United Nations, the Financial Action Task Force, or on various country’s terror lists, undermines institutions; objectivity strengthens them. As such, India can do Canada, the United States, and Western Europe a service by designating Canada as a terror sponsor for its safe haven, if not support, for Khalistani militants. Western finger wagging does not defeat terror; financial crackdowns, arrests, and extraditions do. Ottawa and, for that matter, Washington (where President Joe Biden recently welcomed Sikh militants at the White House) may not like the limelight but as both capitals lecture others, the best way to avoid such unpleasant attention is to make substantive reform.
Especially, as Modi and his ruling BJP should be called to account with the terrorism against the religious minorities in some of the States. Modi has paid lip service to it and even encouraged it.:
Catholic leaders say ‘ethnic cleansing’ of Christians unfolding in Indian state
Prayers and protest marches by India’s small but socially influential Catholic community were staged across the country July 2 in response to ongoing violence against Christians in the country’s northeastern state of Manipur.
Called by the Catholic Bishops Conference of India, the protests highlighted that more than 100 people, largely Christians, have been killed so far in Manipur, with the carnage unfolding just ahead of the August anniversary of an anti-Christian pogrom in 2008 in the state of Orissa.
The conflict pits the largely Hindu Meitei ethnic group against the mostly Protestant Christian Kuki people, each of which represents roughly forty percent of the state’s population of four million, but the Meitei enjoy the support of regional and national political forces dominated by the Hindu nationalist BJP party of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
Since the violence began on May 3, estimates are that some 50,000 displaced persons are now living in 300 refugee camps, though with larger numbers expelled from their homes and villages who haven’t moved to any formal settlements. Over 5,000 structures, including churches and private Christian homes, have been burned, and some local observers claim that as many as 120 people have died.
A June 22 message from Archbishop Andrews Thazhath of Trichur, President of the Catholic Bishops Conference of India, urged all archbishops, bishops, priests, deacons, religious, catechists and laity to join the July 2 protests.
“More than 50,000 people have been displaced, rendered homeless and are suffering in various relief camps and private residences. Many people have left the city. Lots of people have fled Imphal and the state for safer localities,” Thazhath’s statement read.
As part of the protests, Eucharistic adoration and prayers were held in parishes followed by candlelight processions. Human chains were formed, and demonstrations were staged with black flags in which large numbers of clergy, religious and lay faithful participated. In a few dioceses people of other faiths also joined the protests.
In the Archdiocese of Pondicherry, Christians protesting the atrocities in Manipur were themselves subject to detention by the police, with a complaint filed against twenty demonstrators, including several priests, for allegedly causing a disturbance on a public road.
Father Devasagaya Raj of the Pondicherry archdiocese, who is a former secretary of the Office of Scheduled Caste for the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of India, told Crux that local police had initially denied permission for a march, then given oral permission only to later arrest participants for following the route they’d indicated.
Meanwhile incidents of violence continued in Manipur, with at least four people killed on the day of the protests, including one case where police said the victim had been beheaded.
“There is a complete collapse of the constitutional machinery in the state,” said Archbishop Dominic Lumon of Imphal, Manipur. “There is fear, uncertainty and a general sense of hopelessness and desperation.”
Lumon cited a series of issues that had been building, including deforestation, poppy cultivation funded by rich outsiders, and labeling of Kuki Christians as poppy cultivators or immigrants from Myanmar. He noted that internet connectivity has been shut down and media platforms disabled. He also said although confirmed deaths were more than 100, the total is more than officially published.
“Two communities are warring, but it has affected all the people of Manipur. … With the complexity of issues that has given rise to this situation, there seems to be no clear-cut reason for the present crisis,” he said.
Lumon also questioned the role of security forces, wondering why in all cases, state forces were unable to prevent “things from running amuck for prolonged time.” He said in some cases, police stood by and watched as mobs attacked.
“Why is it that vulnerable places, even after attempted attacks, were left unguarded?” he asked.
Lumon compared the situation to 2002 riots in Gujarat state and 2008 anti-Christian violence in the Kandhamal district of Odisha state. He said officials use “narratives like ‘war against drugs’” or “fight against illegal migrants from Myanmar,” but “in the midst of this orchestrated propaganda, subtle attacks on Christianity seem to have found a clean and unsuspecting space.”
Lumon listed 10 Catholic churches and institutions attacked by mobs, noting that “many churches belonging to Meitei Christians” have also been burned.
“The number of attacks on churches that had nothing to do with the conflict indicates the strong and active involvement of some fanatical groups on the pretext of preserving Meitei customs, cultures, tradition and indigenous religion,” the archbishop said.
Lumon said some of the attacks seemed well planned and “smacked of fanatic elements out to disrupt the existence of Christianity.”
Archbishop Joseph Pamplany of Tellicherry, part of India’s Syro-Malabar Church in communion with Rome, has charged that the violence in Manipur amounts to “ethnic cleansing of Christians” and challenged Modi to defend his claim during a recent meeting with U.S. President Joe Biden that there is no religious discrimination in India.
“When such ethnic cleansing is happening in our country, our prime minister told the American Congress that there is absolutely no discrimination in India,” Pamplany said June 28.
“Honorable prime minister, we have to ask you this: Can you keep your hand on your chest and tell the suffering Christians of Manipur that there is no religious discrimination in this country?” he asked.
Catholic leaders say ‘ethnic cleansing’ of Christians unfolding in Indian state
Since the violence began May 3, over 5,000 structures, including churches and private Christian homes, have been burned, and some local observers claim that as many as 120 people have died.
Once again that was from September of 2023. I provided the link where the Intel Services shared the evidence at three different locations with the Indian Officials!!
Of course when the Indian Press states that these Diplomats were "recalled", we know that they are lying, as the Canadians had officially expelled them!!
That sounds bad.What a joke, that the rest of the world will be laughing, if they bring up such an allegation against Canada!!
Especially, as Modi and his ruling BJP should be called to account with the terrorism against the religious minorities in some of the States. Modi has paid lip service to it and even encouraged it.:
Catholic leaders say ‘ethnic cleansing’ of Christians unfolding in Indian state
Prayers and protest marches by India’s small but socially influential Catholic community were staged across the country July 2 in response to ongoing violence against Christians in the country’s northeastern state of Manipur.
Called by the Catholic Bishops Conference of India, the protests highlighted that more than 100 people, largely Christians, have been killed so far in Manipur, with the carnage unfolding just ahead of the August anniversary of an anti-Christian pogrom in 2008 in the state of Orissa.
The conflict pits the largely Hindu Meitei ethnic group against the mostly Protestant Christian Kuki people, each of which represents roughly forty percent of the state’s population of four million, but the Meitei enjoy the support of regional and national political forces dominated by the Hindu nationalist BJP party of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
Since the violence began on May 3, estimates are that some 50,000 displaced persons are now living in 300 refugee camps, though with larger numbers expelled from their homes and villages who haven’t moved to any formal settlements. Over 5,000 structures, including churches and private Christian homes, have been burned, and some local observers claim that as many as 120 people have died.
A June 22 message from Archbishop Andrews Thazhath of Trichur, President of the Catholic Bishops Conference of India, urged all archbishops, bishops, priests, deacons, religious, catechists and laity to join the July 2 protests.
“More than 50,000 people have been displaced, rendered homeless and are suffering in various relief camps and private residences. Many people have left the city. Lots of people have fled Imphal and the state for safer localities,” Thazhath’s statement read.
As part of the protests, Eucharistic adoration and prayers were held in parishes followed by candlelight processions. Human chains were formed, and demonstrations were staged with black flags in which large numbers of clergy, religious and lay faithful participated. In a few dioceses people of other faiths also joined the protests.
In the Archdiocese of Pondicherry, Christians protesting the atrocities in Manipur were themselves subject to detention by the police, with a complaint filed against twenty demonstrators, including several priests, for allegedly causing a disturbance on a public road.
Father Devasagaya Raj of the Pondicherry archdiocese, who is a former secretary of the Office of Scheduled Caste for the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of India, told Crux that local police had initially denied permission for a march, then given oral permission only to later arrest participants for following the route they’d indicated.
Meanwhile incidents of violence continued in Manipur, with at least four people killed on the day of the protests, including one case where police said the victim had been beheaded.
“There is a complete collapse of the constitutional machinery in the state,” said Archbishop Dominic Lumon of Imphal, Manipur. “There is fear, uncertainty and a general sense of hopelessness and desperation.”
Lumon cited a series of issues that had been building, including deforestation, poppy cultivation funded by rich outsiders, and labeling of Kuki Christians as poppy cultivators or immigrants from Myanmar. He noted that internet connectivity has been shut down and media platforms disabled. He also said although confirmed deaths were more than 100, the total is more than officially published.
“Two communities are warring, but it has affected all the people of Manipur. … With the complexity of issues that has given rise to this situation, there seems to be no clear-cut reason for the present crisis,” he said.
Lumon also questioned the role of security forces, wondering why in all cases, state forces were unable to prevent “things from running amuck for prolonged time.” He said in some cases, police stood by and watched as mobs attacked.
“Why is it that vulnerable places, even after attempted attacks, were left unguarded?” he asked.
Lumon compared the situation to 2002 riots in Gujarat state and 2008 anti-Christian violence in the Kandhamal district of Odisha state. He said officials use “narratives like ‘war against drugs’” or “fight against illegal migrants from Myanmar,” but “in the midst of this orchestrated propaganda, subtle attacks on Christianity seem to have found a clean and unsuspecting space.”
Lumon listed 10 Catholic churches and institutions attacked by mobs, noting that “many churches belonging to Meitei Christians” have also been burned.
“The number of attacks on churches that had nothing to do with the conflict indicates the strong and active involvement of some fanatical groups on the pretext of preserving Meitei customs, cultures, tradition and indigenous religion,” the archbishop said.
Lumon said some of the attacks seemed well planned and “smacked of fanatic elements out to disrupt the existence of Christianity.”
Archbishop Joseph Pamplany of Tellicherry, part of India’s Syro-Malabar Church in communion with Rome, has charged that the violence in Manipur amounts to “ethnic cleansing of Christians” and challenged Modi to defend his claim during a recent meeting with U.S. President Joe Biden that there is no religious discrimination in India.
“When such ethnic cleansing is happening in our country, our prime minister told the American Congress that there is absolutely no discrimination in India,” Pamplany said June 28.
“Honorable prime minister, we have to ask you this: Can you keep your hand on your chest and tell the suffering Christians of Manipur that there is no religious discrimination in this country?” he asked.
Catholic leaders say ‘ethnic cleansing’ of Christians unfolding in Indian state
Since the violence began May 3, over 5,000 structures, including churches and private Christian homes, have been burned, and some local observers claim that as many as 120 people have died.cruxnow.com
Now let us talk about how Trudeau fucked this up here in Canada and enabled terrorists.
Then release the evidence.
If it is classified, declassify it.
Empty talks dont amount to anything.
You believe the same man who said the Ruskies planned and funded a trucking convoy full of Neo Nazi's wanting to overthrow the government.
It is false to say that "No country will ever Waive Diplomatic Immunity":
Australia waives diplomatic immunity for man embroiled in Wellington street fight
Australia waives diplomatic immunity for man embroiled in Wellington street fight
It comes after new video emerged yesterday, allegedly of the partner of an Australian diplomat, taken during a fight in central Wellington.
www.rnz.co.nz
So get the real facts before you try to label someone as "naive"!!
The fact is that the evidence was shared with the Indian Govt at three different locations.
Why are you living in denial?
They did not even meet to share evidence. Stick to facts.
Partner of an Australian diplomat over a brawl lol.It is false to say that "No country will ever Waive Diplomatic Immunity":
Australia waives diplomatic immunity for man embroiled in Wellington street fight
Australia waives diplomatic immunity for man embroiled in Wellington street fight
It comes after new video emerged yesterday, allegedly of the partner of an Australian diplomat, taken during a fight in central Wellington.
So get the real facts before you try to label someone as "naive"!!
Show me how many waived diplomatic immunity for high commissioners and other top diplomats on accusations of foreign interference.
You are not being serious now.
I mean, I believe when he says he has nothing lol.
Probably the only time he spoke the truth.
LOL...Great comparison....Oh man, lol....I can just see you scrambling on google to find an example and then voila .It is false to say that "No country will ever Waive Diplomatic Immunity":
Australia waives diplomatic immunity for man embroiled in Wellington street fight
Australia waives diplomatic immunity for man embroiled in Wellington street fight
It comes after new video emerged yesterday, allegedly of the partner of an Australian diplomat, taken during a fight in central Wellington.
So get the real facts before you try to label someone as "naive"!!
Your brain thinking I got him, lol.
He's right you are naive and also an ideologue to boot.
You obviously did not read where I posted this fact..........so once again:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/india-rcmp-trudeau-canada-nijjar-1.7352821
What are you waffling about now?
You and the rest of the right wingers hate the facts. the fact is that this partner had the diplomatic immunity, that was waived by the Australian Government.
You have the real facts that contradict your statements don't you??
He's not a right winger and you're in the fruit bowl comparing the apples and oranges.
Oracle at play again. Trying to defend the some random statement that was proven to be false.
Suck up to it for once oracle, as you are full of rhetoric and ZERO SUBSTANCE!!
